There are some things in the music tech world that are more obviously “snake oil”, but on the more nuanced side, I feel like it’s very easy to fall in the trap of thinking something matters a lot more than it does (and conversely ignoring some aspect that matters a lot). Marketing seems to amplify this cognitive dissonance.

One big trend I’ve seen is a montage of quick video testimonials of people (a lot of times the people are known in the field and their name/credentials are put there) trying something and then getting a “wow!” look on their face after the thing turns on. I find these very effective…at telling me whatever it is is a load of crap, hah.

Another thing I’ve seen a lot of (most common in the hifi listening world), are these articles where people describe the differences very poetically before and after some 5-figure cable was added to the system.

You really have to invest a lot of time learning and dive into the technical side of things if you are gonna explore these sound quality improvements (acoustics, transformers, etc.) because the marketing is not there to help you make good decisions…it’s there to get you to spend more money. In this vein, I think it’s easy to gravitate towards something because you’ve heard it “sounds good on everything” and not properly use it to get the most out of whatever you’re trying to do.

For some reason my brain tends to want to explore the possibilities of stuff I don’t have rather than the possibilities as yet unexplored of the things I do. I think sometimes knowing what else is out there can be useful for informing your art making practice, if you let it, but I think that you have to actively work for that to happen…buying something new is not instantly going to change your ability to make compelling art, however you define that.

To me, the signs that something is not snake oil are: that it has been open sourced (if not fully, maybe partially, or something like a schematic has been posted), there are firmware updates coming well after the thing has been released, there’s a focus on the community surrounding it, or there are a lot of thorough resources to learn more about it. Basically, if there are entry-points into investing your time into it, there’s a good chance it’s not just designed to get you to spend your money on it in hopes of it being a “game-changer”

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For a lot of great debunking of audio snake oil, Ethan Winer is king:

Presentation at AES “Audio Myths Workshop”: https://youtu.be/BYTlN6wjcvQ?t=588

His page full of his work on all sorts of audio debunking: https://ethanwiner.com/articles.html#Audio%20Magic

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I firmly believe that I get more interesting sounds from my STEIM Cracklebox when I use heavy-duty rather than alkaline 9v batteries. Unfortunately, I no longer know of any local stores that sell heavy-duty batteries.

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R. G. Keen’s site is also a wealth of in-depth articles on the topic and on guitar-relevant electronics in general. This write-up about how carbon composition resistors are slightly nonlinear (resistance actually varies significantly with the voltage applied! resulting in possibly up to a couple percent total harmonic distortion, just from the resistors, at the 100s of volts used by tube amps) totally blew my mind as a teenager first learning about guitar amps and electronics.

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Yes. I’m not really doubting it or calling it snake-oil, but it’s interesting how we develop that itch that makes us (me) so concerned/obsessed about that last 1% of the sound.

Because, yes I’ve been hoarding older battery-types myself, but I think I’ve run out of stuck. And yes, I do own an Analogman SunFace with white-dot (military spec) NKT-275 (germanium transistors with real 60s fairy dust). But not because I tested and decided it was the one for me, rather it was me buying into the whole storytelling. :smiley:

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This really is beautiful marketing:

Attaching a stick to very highly shielded cables like the coaxial Crystal Cable with its Kapton and Peek layers or the Nanotec interconnect with its robust copper foil should rationally allow for no such effect at least not of the sort we encountered now. Burke’s voice is that of a man of grand stature albeit with a slightly nasal top. Or so it was before the universal sticks entered the scene.

Now it seemed he’d blown his nose or inhaled some nose drops. His voice opened up from top to bottom and back up. The same happened to the band. Clarity mopped up the sound without introducing sharp ’s’ sounds and what emanated from the speakers had an extra inner coherence. Where prior the music had been great replay—i.e. reproduced stuff—with the AC and universal sticks in place the sense of being part of it all grew gloriously.

The Akiko Audio E-Tuning Gold mkII. $269 for a stick you tape to your power cord.

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I can MEMs blink too!

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I’ve always done this and just assumed it was normal! :exploding_head:

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My generalized take on “mojo” in synths and pedals is that if you know it’s there, it’ll sound better to you.

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none taken, i anticipated a reply like this, so first read through the posts to make sure i’m finding reasonable opinions, not snake oil.

A lot of the GUI in audio software is a kind of snake oil. Just because the artwork on the screen resembles a physical piece of equipment doesn’t make them equivalent. Concentrate on the gap not the metaphor.

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I find both sides of this discussion very difficult and a bit more typical of GS…

Just so many layers of intersecting issues to consider: nostalgia, the reductiveness of commodification, the difference between engineering vs. design mindsets, the meaning of all this at our specific historical juncture…

So I find very difficult – on the one hand, this way of thinking that reduces the overall meaning of a device to the properties of a single component, on the other, the way that views all components as inherently replaceable based on individualized properties, and thus becomes equally reductive.

Both arguments: snake oil/anti-snake oil seem eternally locked within these views, which frame the discourse possible on GS. The unsayability of the name indicated by ‘GS’ now appears as something more than accidental.

And what is the ‘sound’ of a device, anyway? it’s not how something sounds according to psychoacoustic perception but how one responds to the call of the future and thereby comes into one’s own purpose. What sound and gear ultimately ‘mean’ is only in on the basis of this future and this purpose. This is how the 303 became an instrument in its own right-- not the ‘practice tool’ with crappy emulation of a bass guitar that it was designed to be. The 303 was not ‘squelchy’ until ‘squelchiness’ had a distinct meaning which came forth only in specific artists’ works and the communal contexts in which these works were disseminated. Likewise, digital tools were not ‘8-bit’ before 16-bit tools had become widespread and a certain ‘lack’ led to nostalgia.

But all this is not to say that gear doesn’t matter. It’s only a plea to honor the dimension in which the questions pertaining to a certain contemporary ‘fetishization’ of gear - including the terms ‘vintage’, ‘snake oil’, ‘fat sound’ etc. take place meaningfully. For instance, the fact reproduction seems now to impart its own distinctive character or ‘sound’ is meaningful in light of this question - such is the lesson of Alvin Lucier or of Baudrillard’s ‘copy without original’. Meaningful as well is the nostalgia trap that’s a response to the failure of this reproduction to bring forth new realms of meaning. Both – while opposed, have the essential character of nihilism. One the meaning of which is the collapse of all meaning; the other the retreat into a space where meaning as horizon cannot be found. Nostalgia for the 80’s does not in fact return to the 80’s; rather, it sharply delineates the contours of the void left by “the 80’s that did not take place” – the missing sense of a post-Internet future, not the actual 80’s of Reagan revolution, militarism and mass HIV deaths. Thus the very concept of ‘snake oil’ itself, as constituted historically through this dialogue, is ultimately a very pernicious form of nihilism.

In a practical, day to day positive sense what does matter, I think, is rapport. And this rapport has its own direction and specificity, it’s not something that can ever be quantified as in ‘1% there, 99% there etc.’ – nor are elements easily exchanged. You either can learn to get along with the instrument, or you don’t get along. Or you fall out of this getting along – this can happen too and is perfectly natural, like the change of a season. What you thought was there seems no longer there, as if it never was. It’s like love – the exact way this works or does not work for a person remains in the end a mystery. I see value in preserving the mystery. As long as the music is meaningful, as long as we can function within some future-oriented horizon of meaning, this is all that should matter.

The call of the horizon, the spirit of discovery which led to the first distortion box or Moog filter, in other words, is the ‘mojo’. But in this spirit – mojo was never a question. To enter into this spirit only the future counts. In the spirit – mojo is not thinkable, not in the language at all. The point where mojo becomes thinkable it is no longer mojo. The term essentially says as much. It’s an apophasis, an unsaying. The spirit – let things be. Preserve the mystery.

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As always, I find your thinking fascinating, not always groking everything but generally being greatly inspired and provoked in the best way…

I do think that there can be some future-facing value in a kind of backward-looking nostalgia mining…

I’m thinking of things like retro-futurism, as exemplified by a book I have hung onto for decades called Yesterday’s Tomorrows: Past Visions of the American Future…

To some extent, it can be illuminating to explore the positive aspects of the past and the paths not taken in trying to sort out what to do going forward…

Wondering what you think about this kind of thing…

Thanks!

And happy 4th if it’s relevant :sunglasses:

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One amusing source of musical snake oil marketing is the Altmann website, previous manufacturers of “Tube-o-lator” goop which, when applied to semiconductor packages,

“the indicated components will have a tube-like sonic character, best described as warm, full, natural and emotional sound. You will recognize, that you can easily listen to higher volume levels than before, because annoying frequencies will be filtered out of the signal.”

but by far my favourite thing on their website (which I’m not linking, it’s easy enough to find) is:

The Altmann-Starcycle, world’s most bicycle

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I’ve found this kind of thing across all different kinds of hobbies that are dominated by men. My pet theory is that it is a soft spot of the western male psyche, the fixation on binary interpretations of situations and and a kind of compulsive reductionism. Seems like you can sell anything to a man if you convince him some detail of it is fundamentally superior in some area of engineering.

A woman trying clothes: do I feel good? Does it look good?

A man trying clothes: is it Full Grain Leather? Is it Super 180’s wool?

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I think of it as obsessive optimization rather than compulsive reductionism, though they’re probably two sides of the same thing–seeking out a scientifically or mathematically sound method by which to obtain the Optimal Experience; whether or not the methodology is sound matters less than the use of such methodology.

Hence: turbo encabulators.

have you seen/clicked the stuff at the bottom of this page? there’s literally a page he wrote explaining harmonic motion, that ends with the line " Or, the way I remember it:" followed by gifs of naked breasts bouncing, even including women of questionable legal age… Don’t think that kind of message should be tolerated or disseminated here, with all due respect, I’m sure it wasn’t the focus of what you wanted to share!

maybe i misunderstood, but the way i read your post, you decry the fixation of men on binary interpretation just before making a binary statement (a broad stereotypical dichotomy) ?
Also i’m not sure (genuinely) if it is “western men” or “people whose impulses are exploited by vendors of consumption goods, wherever they live”.

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Well - no - I hadn’t looked at anything of his other than his audio measurement work.

The page you reference is truly awful, and I’m sorry a link I posted led to indirectly to it.

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Is this true? Damn. Watched a Doctor Mix demo of the SoMax and thought it sounded pretty good. I won’t get one if that’s what’s going on to trick you into thinking it sounds better.