This is good advice, imo, and I’ve seen it play out for me too: Mangrove plus a Grid, even used, is easily two or three times the price of a Dixie and a Beatstep Pro. I owned both pairs, and maybe it was even just the knowing that I wanted the Mangrove, say, that made trying to get similar functionality from the Dixie feel like drudgery.

(caveat, since @sellanraa called me out upthread :wink: – I don’t mean what I wrote to come off as critical, merely that these things were not what I was looking for)

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It’s there, as of a couple weeks ago!

There aren’t a lot of people whose names we know in modular, so it seems important to re-welcome Émilie!

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how is there so much trans excellence in synthesis! we are here and we are strong <3

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I came across a very fun use for Frames the other day. Not really sure if you’d call this a waveshaper or something else, but if you turn on the 10v offset and run the Frame input with an external VCO, you can create your own waveshapes on each of Frames’ channels. Once you go up past 1000 Hz you start getting sidebands so it becomes less stable for melodies, but it also gives you that cool radio-tuning sort of sound. It sounds great for bass and mid range stuff. And obviously you can further alter the tone by using different waveforms to drive the Frame input.

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here is an unbiased opinion as I’m new to modular gear having used guitar synths and a few digital synths such as the korg wavestation since the early 90’s and later moving on to a few moog synths after the Slim phatty was closing out.

I was intrigued with the Hologram Electronics “infinite jets” granular re-synth guitar pedal after hearing a few demos. However I didnt want to spend $425.

So I was checking out some eurorack modules , on reverb.com, to fill out 16hp of empty rack space and came across a Clouds Clone. Did a quick search to find out what this module did, that it was open source and it was in line with what I was looking for, especially with the added Parasite software. At $175 it was worth a try and the original was out of production.

I had not been exposed to any of the mutable instruments rave review following until reading a few review articles and now this thread after I owned the clone.

My judgement is that the Clouds module is easy to use, is crazy good and a great value with all the different functionality.

The fact that the designer/ manufacturer does that open source thing fits perfectly into my world view where the value of a community is not measured by GDP.

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Funny, since I posted that I’ve gone pretty full in on Make Noise. Opinions change, biases get adjusted.

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I can’t edit my post anymore but anyway you can find a compilation of Mutable Instrument Alt Firmware here:

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I’ve been wondering for a while about how to get that woozy Boards of Canada sound in Eurorack without splashing out on the instant lo-fi junky module. I’ve seen that some versions of the parasites clouds firmware does warble the pitch a bit depending on your power supply (most notably the one that @rbeny uses). But if you want more control here’s a way of getting that tape wow with the latest parasites firmware, and without actually using the module as a traditional delay.

Use the looping delay mode, with position fully CCW, pitch centred, density CCW, first blend mode (dry/wet) fully CW, third blend mode (feedback) fully CCW. This essentially sets it up with a zero-length delay line, so it should sound just like your dry signal. I prefer to use the high quality stereo mode for this effect because the low quality 8-bit sound is just too noisy for my purposes, but you can try that too.

To add the warble, patch an LFO through an attenuator (e.g. a VCA) into the POS input. I find it needs to be attenuated strongly to make a subtle effect. Then you can play with the texture control to add filtering to the input, and use the lovely built in reverb too, of course.

I put Clouds at the end of my signal chain right before the output for this purpose.

Hope some of you find this useful!

[Bonus tip: the second blend mode (stereo spread) is super useful. Fully CW it passes through the signal unchanged, but as you move towards 12 o’clock it narrows the stereo image. This is great if you have modules that hard pan stereo or if you have two distinct signals into the left and right inputs into Clouds. So you can have the control at 10 o’clock or something and have some stereo image without it being too extreme. Crucially, the stereo reverb comes after this effect so you still get a nice full stereo field from that.]

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An (attenuated) noise source also works nicely for this!

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Are there any OS projects that use Mutable code in an effects pedal? Rebel tech maybe?

And a little bit of the right kind of random into Shape can simulate tape wear/dropouts. I’m using Kermit, but a rapidly changing smooth random should be nice too.

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That’s something people seem to be interested in, I sure would be! Unfortunately I’m not aware of any.
It’s not a trivial thing though. Most Eurorack modules only make sense when they live in an ecosystem that provides them with modulations and other modular related functionality. A pedal would have to include all the modulation sources and some UI to actually use those in a meaningful way. A pedal would likely have to combine things into meta controls, but most MI modules already control a whole lot of things with each knob. So it’s not a trivial task and easy to make something that will be pointless.
You can notice the problem with some software implementations of Mutable code. For example Clouds on the Organelle.

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@papernoise/@steveoath there is a pedal with clouds in it actually.

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Thanks for the link! Didn’t know about it!
Except if I’m missing something, I have to say that it feels exactly like the wrong way to do it explained above. It totally lacks any form of (internal) modulations, which are what brings Clouds alive.
This will likely just extend the dreaded “rings into clouds” sound to the non-modular world.

I’d have to agree with you, but just thought it’d be interesting to share! Honestly, I feel as if Red Panda’s Particle is a nice homage to Clouds with some internal modulation inside. Really great pedal!

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Yes absolutely! I’m super grateful for the info! Always keeping a lookout of what people make with MI code!

Was about to point out the Red Panda! That seems to have gotten the granular thing for pedals pretty right!

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I had these Blue Lantern Clouds and Rings stand alone modules that were pretty cool.

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I’ve just started building my first modular after thinking about taking the jump for years, and one of my first purchases is a 1u clone of Peaks that also contains alternate firmware. I’ve been thinking about buying more Mutable clones but I’m also aware that people have concerns about the ethics of these clones. Since I’m just now getting into modulars, I don’t have a good grasp of these issues, but I would like to be more informed so that I don’t make ethical blunders when building my system. So – I would like to hear what people think about this issue.

I think you would have better luck reading the MANY existing forum posts on the issue, rather than stirring this pot again.

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