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I’m in for a new Grid in July :slight_smile: will arc be updated as well?

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I think Arc is out of the running (for now)…

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I thiiiiiink scalability in this case means scaling up how many units they make in times of bigger demand?

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I’m an outside observer, so take this with a. Grain of salt, but the discontinuation (open ended) of the arc seemed to happened during the production of this new grid. Seems as though the design challenges could not (without either great will, cost or both) be adapted to this new design aesthetic.

It’s a shame, because I ADORE my arc. Limited as some of my uses for it may be, it is a piece of art that brings me great joy. But I do understand why it is a somewhat difficult product to keep in production.

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Yes, I’m curious on how much demand the Grid 256 model had back when it was first announced - gotta do my research!

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Bring it back!!!

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That’s a monster. Every so often when these get mentioned here my mind drifts to this genius piece. @anon78160790 am I correct in thinking this is your good self?

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arc - we’ve been considering designs for a revision or successor, but at this point can make no estimates when or if that will happen.

Never should have sold my arc 4:(

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I would relish such difficulties in my life. Literal definition of a luxury problem.

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Spilling the beans: I’m currently working on a personal project with Ableton Max4Live and Unreal Engine that would shine with a dedicated MIDI controller like the Grid (Pun Intended). I’m looking forward to more Monome Grid product announcements this year and saving up so I’ll be in the market to buy this holiday season :slight_smile:

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is it crazy to think that people wanting 256 grids could find a way to utilize 2x128 to get what they’re looking for?

especially now with the new version, I’m betting that the price for a theoretical 256 might not be much less than doubling up on 128 (given the small run costs for the larger enclosures). you’d have to use two usb ports, but I’m assuming that lua could be scripted to make it all work nicely.

edit - are there any examples of norns scripts out there that can keep track of offering differing UI on two different grids and can keep that consistent between instances?

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Interestingly, it appears the norns anticipates up to 4 potential grids. Just never seen anything done with it. What blows my mind is the system even allows for 4 arcs!

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gotta dream bigger: monome 1k

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I’ve got one of these new grids on the way! Will I be able to power it straight from my new-version teletype? What’s the worst that can happen?

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Humbly @tehn,

The new grid is beautiful, cheers to y’all for continuing to make tools with care for us. It means a lot to me at least.

If I can ask, do you think we would ever see the advent of 256s or 512s again in the new design? As a current owner of an old 256, I am always paranoid of when it’s going to finally give up the ghost. (Some of the brightness levels across my grid are dodgy.)

It would be so delightful to have the opportunity to run @stretta’s plane on a massive grid. Or some form of serialOSC multiplexing across an interface. I.e a first class implementation of what pages tried to do years ago. Think tmux but for grid.

I could see this especially useful in the event you wanted to control multiple things with Norms.

maybe I’m stuck in the past too much. But I do feel there is something to be said about large format grid instruments.

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Same here. Would love a 256 or 512 comeback. If it ever happens, I’d definitely order one. But I can see that it’s a lot harder to justify since there’s probably less demand and they’d have to make tiny runs but still put in the effort of tuning production for the larger versions. From my experience with similar ventures, I’d imagine that there’s a bunch of iterations required before everything works as expected. So no pressure from my side, just a faint bit of hope :slight_smile:

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the last 256 was produced in 2012— we’re approaching a decade.

one of my primary motivations for sticking with the 16x8 size is to simplify the ecosystem: it puts a lot of pressure on script developers to re-imagine interfaces for other sizes (both larger and smaller) as frequently this was (is?) one of the first feature requests when someone shares a new creation. this can be pretty de-motivating, particularly when the author likely doesn’t have the other sizes, so all interfacing is guesswork. this could potentially be alleviated with some sort of pages/tmux-like situation, but that adds a level of complexity/confusion that may or may not be a long-term win.

granted, both these situations apply fundamentally to people not engaged in the code (which we absolutely want to support). if you’re writing code yourself, there are no limits to what you can do with various sizes of course.

the second motivation for staying with one size has been said upthread: optimizing manufacturing makes for savings which get passed on to the retail price (as seen with this release). but likewise, i cannot deny the part of me that wants to see a 16x16 in the new form factor. rather than fill this thread with a poll of interest, please e-mail help@monome.org if you’re in the “yes, absolutely” camp.

i’d also be interested in anyone would be specifically interested in collaborating on the pages/tmux code, in an effort not to disrupt the community sharing vibes.

ps. you all would not believe the supply chain problems we continue to deal with. huge thanks to @Galapagoose for providing some unattainable components which just saved our ship date after digikey fell through on a long commitment.

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I’m interested in collaborating on the pages/tmux code - what are the dependencies for configuring a mock test environment on windows 10?

(Happy this post can be edited - I’m starting a journey to attain the norns shield, I had an idea today for a minesweeper patch on the grid.)

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Maybe a dumb question but if we wanted to connect directly to a cpu with usb c ports, would a standard usb c to c work fine?

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Yes this is fine. The usb-c port & protocol is backwards compatible with usb 2.x devices.

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