#12

Stereo/panning (and effects send) have been on my list of things I’d like to try out as well. See this topic for some stuff related to it Modular mixer/output modules?
For now I’ve somewhat parked that idea to focus on just learning the modules themselves using mono, although if I can get stereo panning for “free”/with little extra investment I’ll still gladly take it.

How are you liking the Three Sisters?

Yeah, the grid has been attached to my PC for quiet some time, so I’m kind of used to it, seems like a logical step to use it as input/sequencing method for a modular setup because of that.
If you can try it sometime you should, they are beautiful and very useful devices! :slight_smile:

#13

This is true but realistically, Kria will quantize everything for you. So you have the option of quantizing through O+C or Kria or both. You should look at options for slew limiting - the Quadra may do this, I don’t know. You could use an O+C quantizer channel through a slew limiter as a faux LFO. I do this with Maths from time to time.

EDIT: Actually, I’m going to take a more affirmative stance that I would totally add an O+C to this system.

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#14

I totally know what you mean about wanting to start out with more straightforward modules (I sometimes wish i had a quadra instead of maths, as the most common function maths performs in my tiny system is envelope generation), but the ability to go stereo was a game changer for me. FWIW, Cold Mac also performs all sorts of other utility functions that I’m still learning about.

Three sisters sounds beautiful! I don’t have much experience with other filters - I wanted to add a VCF to my system and I picked up the sisters and mac together second hand . This is definitely another time when starting with something more straightforward may have been beneficial, but I’m figuring it out.

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#15

Yes and no. Maths was my second module (after my now estranged MIDI/CV converter). Is it straight forward. Sure - that’s why people end up using it as an EG most of the time. Is it highly patchable? YES - and that is what will keep you busy for a long time to come in a small system long after you retire your uVCF (and this is no slight on the uVCF either). JF and 3S are definitely in this camp for me. JF is a perfectly accessible oscillator, LFO, or EG and 3S is a go-to filter if that’s all you want but you can do so much more also. The manuals do a good job of furthering their image as on the fringe of abstract but they are, at their core, an oscillator and a filter. Maths is one of maybe 3 modules that have always been in my system and I would probably put JF and 3S in that category as well.

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#16

:thumbsup::thumbsup: for three sisters. Use it straight as a filter for one voice, or as a hub for timbre tweaking multiple sounds or splitting one off into different paths. The idea of three interlaced filters is really an inspired design that opens up some unique patching ideas.

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#17

Sounds like a Three Sisters might be a good move :slight_smile:
I have two filters in there, would still like to start with a “straightforward” one, so will keep the uVCF, but I’ll replace the SSF MMF with a Three Sisters as the next Filter to get.

So, a quick update, removed the FH-1 and replaced the SSF MMF with a Three sisters, 16HP left :slight_smile:

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TODO:

  • Read up/watch video’s on:
    • wavefolders
    • slew limiting
    • Mannequins modules
    • Ornament and Crime
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#18

Any particular reason to suggest this icm with this system? Trying to understand why it makes sense to have it in this context.
I do like multifunctional modules, but to me it seems nicer if they can do more than 1 thing at the same time, which as far as I know Ornament and Crime can’t.

Thanks for the clarification! I guess the Just Friends has the most overlap with the Quadra and part of Pamela’s New Workout? (might be a crazy comparison, I find it somewhat hard to understand the cryptic Mannequins module descriptions, will have to watch some video’s about them).

#19

Its an excellent high clockable EG and modulation source not to mention chord generator which Kria won’t be able to cover for you. Look at Piques, Low-rents, Quadraturia, and Acid Curds. There are several other sequencers, chord generators, and just generally fun applications outside of quantizing. You can only do one at a time but you’ve already stated you prefer straight ahead functions - I don’t think you’ll find it hard to put it to use.

In the sense that JF can also generate envelopes, yes. But that’s like saying my computer is really good at letting me play solitaire. JF is a very nice sounding complex oscillator.

#20

Xaoc Batumi is awesome for modulation sources. But I guess with Pam’s you already have some.

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#21

Yeah, a Batumi would be a good alternative for modulation, also not too big of a module.
From looking at both so far I think I prefer the versatility of Pamela’s New Workout.

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#22

Yeah Pam’s is a cracking module even before you analyse function:hp ratio. It came out after I’d got my Batumi. Although I do like that Batumi forces you to guide the LFOs by feel. I’ll be popping the expert firmware onto it next week now I am comfy working with it.

#23

Didn’t know there was an additional firmware for the batumi. Cool!
Doesn’t seem to be open-source though, right?

#24

Been watching quiet some video’s on different modules and especially the Ornament & Crime stood out, so many awesome things you can do with it :open_mouth:
So I’ve added it, though I’m looking at the micro version, because it’s obviously less HP, but also because I find the layout more logical.

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Apart from that I’ve been considering replacing the Intellijel Quadra, mainly because it’s relatively expensive and just being able to generate envelopes seem very one-dimensional to me.
For the same price you can get a Pamela’s New Workout (if it’s in stock :P) which offers way more flexiblity to use it for different purposes.
If I remove it there would be exactly enough room for a Maths. Envelope wise I’d lose 2 envelopes and have less control over the exact shape, but modulation/function wise it would of course give a lot more possibilities whilst also allowing a good amount of hands-on control.
I’m not sure if it would be a good switch though. Does anyone have any suggestions about this? Or alternative options?

I’ve also been considering replacing the uVCF with something else, still have to watch/hear some more videos, but I’m not sure I like the sound enough. I did quiet like the sounds of the Doepfer A-108 and A-106-5.
Both are quiet a bit cheaper than the uVCF but also more HP, especially the A-108 which is double the HP of the uVCF.

#25

I have a new Pam’s on order and loved my old one, so I definitely see the appeal of it, but it is worth noting that it for modulations and envelopes that it isn’t directly externally trigger-able as a Maths, Quadra, or other EG is. I’ve been mulling over a Just Friends to fit that role in a way and the independent-yet-connectedness of it fits in for me in theory, but don’t have experience with it to offer - but it’s definitely popular around here :slight_smile:

You do also get a number of EG options with Ornament & Crimes, though, but of course not while you use it in a different mode.

#26

so after nearly a week with Pam’s (i picked one up last weekend from someone locally who was liquidating a 12U modular setup) i’m totally loving it. I haven’t used it for envelopes, but as a master clock, euclidean rhythm source, and modulation source it is so awesome. hard to imagine more bang for the hp.

check out this thread for more on maths - I’ve also been a bit frustrated about having a 20hp envelope generator, but this thread has been a source of inspiration. there’s a link in there to a PDF outlining like 20 cool non-EG uses for maths.

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#27

That’s a very good point, thanks for pointing it out. Totally didn’t think about that.

Again a good point, though I guess that would be a mode to use as a fallback since changing the envelopers it not very quick/hands-on of course :slight_smile:

Since I’m not going to be get all these modules at once (there’s a lot to learn and expect some changes in my wishes based on actual hands-on experience) it might make sense to go for a simple 1 or 2x AD/AR module in 4/6HP like the Ladik C-041 orUoki Toki 2 AD/AR for now and see how well I’ll get on with that. At the very least it’ll be quiet a bit cheaper than a Maths or Quadra :slight_smile:
Also peaks is already in the case, so I have that as a fallback for envelopes as well.

#28

Thanks for sharing your experiences. Sounds good! I hope I’ll eventually be able to get my hands on one in Europe.

Yeah, been following that thread from the start, it’s ± the same question I have. Main issue for me is that I have no clue yet how/in which way I’ll like Maths and what I’d use it for since I don’t have one yet.
That mainly means I’m probably looking at Maths in a too simple way, similar to what the topic starter said: envelopes + attenuverters.
So the PDF is certainly helpful to get some insights in alternative/more creative uses.

#29

it might also go without saying, but I think part of the reason there is always so much module buying/selling (besides people liking to buy stuff) is that there are all sorts aspects of modules that make one person get along with them and another person hate them. The person who really likes Maths probably wouldn’t care for Quadra, and vice versa (I think I’d be in the Maths camp there for the logic, mixing, and more CV control, but I like generative/morphing stuff). I say just get whatever you instinctively are drawn to and go from there. If you buy used, you probably will only lose out on a few dollars for shipping, and if you buy new, you’re likely only out 20% if you decide to sell something.

Also, Peaks is an EG, as well, so you could totally get by without Quadra or Maths at all to start and you’d still have more EGs between Pam’s, O&C, and Peaks than many other racks of comparable size.

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#30

I just bought one of these from a builder on MW. It looks awesome(haven’t had the chance to use it yet). His handle is ZZ Ardoz

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#31

Thanks for the tip! Since I’m from Europe I’m looking at this one https://www.modulargrid.net/e/other-unknown-μo-c-silver
Seems like the builder has some users on mw and on the eurorack facebook groups that are all happy. We’ll see :slight_smile: