Good to know, and thanks for going through the trouble!

I might want to upgrade the firmware on my teletype, and I’m looking at what I believe to be the official update information.

I’m a bit unsure/worried when it comes to hardware:

  1. Should I be able to stick an USB A-A cable between the usb port on the front (whe my keyboard normally sits) and a laptop?
  2. I have an USB A-A of unknown origin (could it have been included with my TT?) that looks like photo at the end. Is that safe to use? IOW wil a “transfer” cable (as the docs mention will not work) or any other cable for that matter dammage my teletype/computer? I remember the USB A-A-lookalike cable that came with my (now sold) doepfer ribbon controller came with a warning: don’t use as USB cable, you will break stuff. Any tests that will make sure the cable is good?

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I have a generic USB a to a cable I got from amazon. I use it as described in your point number 1. I updated my TT last night with no problems. After backing up my scenes of course.

Thanks for reminding me to attach the photo :slight_smile:

And good to know that 1) is valid, thanks! Hope someone can help out regarding 2)

Aha, i think that’s just a ferrite bead/choke I’m 99% sure that’s a fine cable to use. Hopefully someone else here can confirm!

It’s probably the one that came with Teletype. It’s a bit unlikely that you have more of these lying around since they’re nonstandard. Generally speaking I think the warnings about USB A/A cables are that if you connect two PCs over such a cable, they will both try to supply power, and current is gonna go Somewhere. But the firmware update docs say to get a “normal” USB cable, the warning that a “transfer” cable will not work in this case I think is because some cables are sold that aren’t wired for power to avoid any reverse current issues. I cannot speak to how the exact electronics sorcery for this works, but I know that my “official” cable supplies enough power to keep some lights on on Ansible if I power my case off after reflashing the module. I have seen this cause an update to fail BTW, I recommend: plug cable in, hold button down, turn case on, run erase/flash/start, remove cable, power cycle.

All this to say: that cable is fine, the text on it in your photo is identical to the one I use, I don’t believe any other cable would damage your modules (okay okay, maybe you can plug a spec noncompliant USB-A to type C converter into your phone and draw too much current? but I feel like one would need to be trying fairly hard). If you want to be double extra sure, I reckon you could buy another one from monome.

Thanks for chiming in @rennerom and @csboling. I believe the cable in fact came with my TT as mentioned in the link to the USB cable on monome.org.

However to be absolutely safe, are there some measurements that I can perform with my meter to make 100% sure it’s ok to use? Obviously I don’t wanna hurt neither my TT nor my laptop…

My bad, the ferrite bead showing in the photo is on the cable to the keyboard I use with my teletype. The AA cable has no beads on it. Sorry for the confusing photo…

you are fine. pretty sure that “transfer cable” in the docs refers to things like this, also called “bridge cables”, for transferring files between two PCs. these are things with active electronics in the middle that typically implement a little network interface with two USB modems. you don’t want this for flashing TT firmware.

for TT-PC, you really do want a direct A-A cable with all the wires in it and nothing else. the TT has an OTG USB port just like an android phone does; it can act as a host or a device, and will go into device mode automatically on boot when it detects power coming in on the USB port. (so it won’t work without the power pin.)

it’s true and worth emphasizing, a direct A-A cable is not safe to connect two PCs. (i don’t exactly know why either host would draw power, but i guess the USB spec doesn’t prevent it, there’s no useful reason to do this, so why take chances.) so you will see people on the internet making scary pronouncements about how you should never use an A-A cable for anything and just throw it away if you see one. this doesn’t apply to the TT.

elsewhere on this forum, confused people have proposed using an A-A cable to connect the host port on a norns to a laptop, thinking they could somehow use the norns as a midi device this way. that would be unsafe and will not work, because the norns has normal USB host ports just like a laptop. again, this is unrelated to the TT and i’m only bringing it up here to avoid confusion.

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I just found out about variables J + K, Why haven’t I seen them before, despite reading the entire manual every night before I fall asleep? Because I’ve been reading the pdf manual not the online manual!

So any chance the two can be brought back in sync? I cant’ wait what other goodies are waiting for me :slight_smile:

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Thanks so much for taking the time to explain these out a bit fuller. Monome’s site can get be a bit vague. Really appreciate the explanations.

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so… JUST TYPE GEODE IS AMAZING!!! Seems heavily under-discussed but earlier today I had a lot of fun playing with geode as the main control source for my 6u and it is wild. I’m curious if anyone has ideas on it – specifically slower envelopes, or a more detailed understanding of how the knobs effect the out-coming shapes. I don’t have a scope and watching the lights only gives so much info + the studies don’t go too deep into it (there’s a lot of language like ‘in the usual way’ but… considering the multi-modality of the module I’m never sure what ‘in the usual way’ quite means).

Have been deep in study and deliberately avoiding posting open questions for almost a year now. Tons of growth and development but this feels like a ‘stand on the shoulders of giants’ situation, given the lack of information out there on this wondrous mode…

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Quick question regarding ansible/ARC…

When in Cycles mode, are the “offset” and “range” functions available as they are in Levels mode? i.e. can I offset and attenuate the voltage created by my triangle/saw waves from ansible/arc while remaining in Cycles mode?

According to the docs, it doesn’t appear that Cycles has that functionality?

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thats what I thought too. But, when I’m in Cycles and go through the same config steps as described for Levels, I get what seem to be 2 more “pages” of options…I think one of themacts like an attenuator, but not sure what the other one does. Would be neat to have that capability on Cycles to IMHO. Maybe I’ll pop over to the beta ansible firmware disc…

There is definitely an attenuation page. I don’t think you can add offset, but I am not able to test at the moment.

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Thanks for confirming. :slight_smile:

Quick question - If I buy older modules like Earthsea and Meadowphysics will they work with my new 128 grid? Thanks

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Yes they will. Enjoy!

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Great! And are they redundant if I get a new Ansible/Teletype?

I don’t think so. I still use all the early monome modules. Ansible can wear many hats, but only has one head so to speak.

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