Thanks.
I read that whole thread yesterday, bit it’ll take some time until I understand everything.
I think I can rule out a power issue as it’s said that green-pcb TTs (like mine) should be fine with only two modules attached to the bus.

some ER-301s have their I2C ports different from how they are on Teletype? worth a check over things again I think

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triple-check your i2c cable polarity. Be sure you have them all properly GND-GND, etc. Esp the ER-301 if its an older one that have SDA and SCL reversed.

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I have the latest 301 revision (bought in April) so that should be fine I think.
At least that‘s what I thought I’d read somewhere.
:slight_smile:

Can I break one of the devices if the polarity isn’t correct? If not I’ll just see if something changes when I flip the cable.

Don’t do that.

You’d be shorting voltage to ground - which might not break anything, but it’s just generally a bad idea.

Visually inspect the connections. Post a picture here if your really unsure.

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@mlogger can you share your thoughts on the Sevilla Soft midi dongle thing? Thanks!

I bought it specifically so I could output midi from Norns because the sequencers on Norns are incredibly inspiring - like Loom, Orca, Fugu (Fugue Machine) and Less Concepts.
It allows 2 midi hosts to talk to each other. It was recommended by other users who have used it with the Organelle which is also a midi host.
Ansible and Norns are 2 midi hosts, a regular midi out from Norns to Ansible does not work.
I’ve also used the Sevillasoft from my computer to Ansible which works also, but I want something more portable (like Norns) for some sequencing rather than a laptop.
It’s plug and play, small, no external power and just works and because I have a Norns and 2 Ansibles, this is perfect

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FWIW - I will have a demo version of a similar DIY (usbmidi) host-to-host device later this week (pcbs shipped today).

Primarily aimed at getting USBMIDI between 2 norns or between a Raspberry Pi and Norns, but works OK great so far with norns and computer/ableton.

I will also need to test this with Ansible and report back.

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Please share your findings with Ansible. Really looking to have a way to hop between MLR on norns and Ansible sequencing my euro :slight_smile:

Edit: I think I may be thinking of a switch and not what you’re talking about above.

I’m sure this question has been answered somewhere in the forum, but I’ve not found the answer I’m looking for, so my apologies if this is redundant… I am looking at getting into the monome ecosystem with my eurorack setup and I am intrigued by Norns, grid, and ansible. Right now I am doing all my sequencing with René 2 but I am wanting an even more interactive experience. I am wondering if it would be possible to sequence my rack with Norns through something like captain midi In hemispheres (ornament and crime). I am drawn to Norns because it could be so much more than a sequencer, and can easily be traveled with. Of course, I’d like to but all three, but I’m trying to resist that urge though ansible in the place of René would free up a lot of space…

Should be doable. I will give this combo a try later and report back

Update - seems to work just fine. :+1:

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Good to know, and thanks for going through the trouble!

I might want to upgrade the firmware on my teletype, and I’m looking at what I believe to be the official update information.

I’m a bit unsure/worried when it comes to hardware:

  1. Should I be able to stick an USB A-A cable between the usb port on the front (whe my keyboard normally sits) and a laptop?
  2. I have an USB A-A of unknown origin (could it have been included with my TT?) that looks like photo at the end. Is that safe to use? IOW wil a “transfer” cable (as the docs mention will not work) or any other cable for that matter dammage my teletype/computer? I remember the USB A-A-lookalike cable that came with my (now sold) doepfer ribbon controller came with a warning: don’t use as USB cable, you will break stuff. Any tests that will make sure the cable is good?

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Not sure what you mean by

But…

I have a generic USB a to a cable I got from amazon. I use it as described in your point number 1. I updated my TT last night with no problems. After backing up my scenes of course.

Thanks for reminding me to attach the photo :slight_smile:

And good to know that 1) is valid, thanks! Hope someone can help out regarding 2)

Aha, i think that’s just a ferrite bead/choke I’m 99% sure that’s a fine cable to use. Hopefully someone else here can confirm!

It’s probably the one that came with Teletype. It’s a bit unlikely that you have more of these lying around since they’re nonstandard. Generally speaking I think the warnings about USB A/A cables are that if you connect two PCs over such a cable, they will both try to supply power, and current is gonna go Somewhere. But the firmware update docs say to get a “normal” USB cable, the warning that a “transfer” cable will not work in this case I think is because some cables are sold that aren’t wired for power to avoid any reverse current issues. I cannot speak to how the exact electronics sorcery for this works, but I know that my “official” cable supplies enough power to keep some lights on on Ansible if I power my case off after reflashing the module. I have seen this cause an update to fail BTW, I recommend: plug cable in, hold button down, turn case on, run erase/flash/start, remove cable, power cycle.

All this to say: that cable is fine, the text on it in your photo is identical to the one I use, I don’t believe any other cable would damage your modules (okay okay, maybe you can plug a spec noncompliant USB-A to type C converter into your phone and draw too much current? but I feel like one would need to be trying fairly hard). If you want to be double extra sure, I reckon you could buy another one from monome.

Thanks for chiming in @rennerom and @csboling. I believe the cable in fact came with my TT as mentioned in the link to the USB cable on monome.org.

However to be absolutely safe, are there some measurements that I can perform with my meter to make 100% sure it’s ok to use? Obviously I don’t wanna hurt neither my TT nor my laptop…

My bad, the ferrite bead showing in the photo is on the cable to the keyboard I use with my teletype. The AA cable has no beads on it. Sorry for the confusing photo…

you are fine. pretty sure that “transfer cable” in the docs refers to things like this, also called “bridge cables”, for transferring files between two PCs. these are things with active electronics in the middle that typically implement a little network interface with two USB modems. you don’t want this for flashing TT firmware.

for TT-PC, you really do want a direct A-A cable with all the wires in it and nothing else. the TT has an OTG USB port just like an android phone does; it can act as a host or a device, and will go into device mode automatically on boot when it detects power coming in on the USB port. (so it won’t work without the power pin.)

it’s true and worth emphasizing, a direct A-A cable is not safe to connect two PCs. (i don’t exactly know why either host would draw power, but i guess the USB spec doesn’t prevent it, there’s no useful reason to do this, so why take chances.) so you will see people on the internet making scary pronouncements about how you should never use an A-A cable for anything and just throw it away if you see one. this doesn’t apply to the TT.

elsewhere on this forum, confused people have proposed using an A-A cable to connect the host port on a norns to a laptop, thinking they could somehow use the norns as a midi device this way. that would be unsafe and will not work, because the norns has normal USB host ports just like a laptop. again, this is unrelated to the TT and i’m only bringing it up here to avoid confusion.

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I just found out about variables J + K, Why haven’t I seen them before, despite reading the entire manual every night before I fall asleep? Because I’ve been reading the pdf manual not the online manual!

So any chance the two can be brought back in sync? I cant’ wait what other goodies are waiting for me :slight_smile:

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