#331

I have both – and you’re right: the Grid Ansible sequencers are more playful and intuitive, the ER-101/102 is more precise – or let’s say, better suited for focused composing. I also love the ER-101/102, but sometimes it’s hard to find a specific step in a running sequence by ear to edit it, so in an ideal world we could use a Grid as an interface for the ER-101/102 to display and select steps. Well, I’m afraid this world isn’t ideal.

Also there are a few things in the concept of the ER-101/102 that just don’t make sense to me. First and foremost that all Groups are always active simultaneously. Imo this combo would be much more powerful and flexible with individual Group on/off switches.

#332

Thanks for the reply - Great inputs ! Which one would you keep if you where forced to sell one of them lol (Grids or Er-101).

#333

Thx! On norns or m4l? Is there a big difference? Or to ask differently what versions are out there I can’t seem to get an overview which one is the most recent/ up to date.

#334

I’d imagine it’s the Max version (not M4L). In terms of versions there are:

and perhaps more?

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#335

Cool, thx so much. Will try it out later :wink:

#336

Well, I’m trying to decide already, but so far I didn’t manage. They are so different. I’ll let you know as soon as I know…

Two more cons for Grid/Ansible though:

  • only 6 HP for Ansible <-> 26 + 14 HP for ER-101/102

  • active development (Poly Earthsea, and Kria Ansible got some nice updates recently) for Grid/Ansible <-> not many new features for ER-101/102, because OD mastermind Brian is focusing on the ER-301.

#337

Great info Rklem :slightly_smiling_face:It does seem inspiring having different sequences on Ansible.

One thing that frustrates me about the Er-101/102 is the parts function. It does not seem so intuitive and always leave me frustrated ending up spending a long time thinking I could have made a better sequence way better and faster in the DAW lol. The Er-301, that I use quite a lot, is deep and complicated. But the spectacular musical results always make me want to dig deeper and learn more. I have the feeling, that Grid/Ansible is a bit the same.

#338

Looking for a little help deciding between an ornament and crime or a temps utile to pair with a small Monome based system I’m planning to build. I’ll have a teletype, txo+, Ansible, crow+norn’s, and an ER-301, along with some pedal triggers. I have one last spot in a 1u row that I’ll be dedicating to either the o+c or temps. Right now I’m leaning towards the temps for all the trig outputs I can send over to the teletype, but an o+c running hemispheres would cover a lot of utility work. One thing I worry about would be that having so many utilities would hinder my progress in trying to learn to create whatever utility pops into my head in a teletype script, but maybe it’d force me to learn interesting clocking ideas instead? Choices.

#339

I know this is silly, but does anybody make a black faceplate? Trying to fit this into a shared system, and want it to blend in.

#340

Hi all. I’m new to Eurorack, and am building a small skiff centered around looping / sampling / mangling my guitar. My system is based around the Make Noise Morphagene.

I’m interested in getting an Ansible + Grid to control the Morphagene, but am not sure how CV control works with the step sequencers available for it, namely Kria.

My primary use case is to step sequence CV automation of Morphagene, i.e. extra hands to twist the knobs for Gene Size, Slide, Vari-speed, etc. into specific positions. Kria seems close to what I want but it’s based around volt/octave control of musical notes in a scale, and what I think I need is generic -10v to +10v CV.

Hypothetically, I imagine making say a custom 7-note scale on Kria where note 1 is -10v and note 7 is +10v, with notes 2-6 spread evenly between.

Is something like this possible with Ansible / Kria / Grid, or should I be looking elsewhere.

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#341

Ansible can only provide 0v-5v on it’s CV outputs based on it’s hardware. Kria specifically operates such that it’s scale degrees are fixed to semitones, 1/12th of a volt, before adding 1 volt/octave offsets with the octave parameter (this may be more adjustable given the more recent ability to “microtune” intervals).

Do you have the Morphagene already? Is there something specific about the -10 v to +10v that you see yourself using? Most sequencers I know of are generally in the positive voltage range only which is why I ask.

#342

I’m sure the manual for the Morphagene has the details regarding what CV inputs expect what ranges of voltage.

Just don’t expect precise control over Varispeed, and make sure you’ll have a powerful signal going into Morphagene, and it’s own input gain as low as possible, because it has higher noise floor than average digital module. Its certainly not as clean as I would want)

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#343

Thanks! I do have the Morphagene already. It’s super fun the play with, I just wish I had a third or fourth arm :slight_smile:

From what I’ve gathered, the knobs on the Morphagene are wired such that -10v is fully counter-clockwise and +10v is fully clockwise. I want to be able to program a sequence where the knobs basically twist into specific positions. Like, say I record a guitar loop into it and using the gene size and morph control to get a cool version of it going, I’ve found it’s fun to nudge the slide control into a different position for a few beats, then move it back into its original position. Same goes for cranking up the morph control, or (however inaccurately) moving around the vari-speed control.

Sorry for the rambling. Essentially, it’s very fun to do all of this, but I can only do so much with two hands, and even then my hand movements aren’t at as accurate as a looped sequence would be.

#344

There are of course no standards in euro, but this kind of swing seems pretty wide, at least for digital modules. I have not used a Morphagene but the manual indicates that most CV inputs are 0-8V or 0-5V, looks like the only bipolar one is Vari-Speed which accepts -4V to 4V.

As you indicate Kria etc are typically used to sequence pitch V/oct. Kria and Meadowphysics require you to select a scale, they perhaps work a little oddly for linear CV sequencing but if you program a scale where all intervals are equal you can use these apps as a linear CV sequencer within some range. Playing Earthsea you have access to any semitone directly.

You can also arbitrarily reprogram the voltage lookup table, per output, using the grid tuning interface, though this may be a bit tedious or fiddly - it is primarily intended for getting all your CV outputs calibrated with each other. I believe the DACs can go up to 10V, and at least outputs greater than 5V are attainable with custom tuning, but I have not tried this extensively.

Another option is Teletype, which also has 0-5V CV outputs, but with grid ops and such (or without a grid) you can program basically any control scheme / sequencer you want.

#345

a custom norns + grid + crow sequencer could work for this as well (or maybe a modified version of kria for norns). But then you’d have to spend the time writing this script…

#346

Wow, thanks for all the suggestions!

I guess I was way off on my assumption of the Morphagene’s CV range. A bit of background: I tried using a sig~ output in Max through an Expert Sleepers ES-8, and found that -1 was full counter-clockwise and 1 was full clockwise. I think I must have been wrong about the values in between and/or the mapping of sig~ to the ES-8’s DC-coupled output. tl;dr y’all are right… voltages ranges in Eurorack are wildly inconsistent.

#347

Since you’re already comfortable with max, I might consider getting a crow and rolling your own custom sequencer using grid->max->crow (or ES-8 instead of crow I suppose)

Unless you want to be fully “out the box”, or like the other features/apps in ansible.

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#348

Yeah, I was hoping to not need a laptop. Then again, if all I’m doing is sequencing with the laptop, and the audio is all happening in the Eurorack / on my pedalboard, I’m mostly cool with that. I’m a very noob Max programmer though and have never interfaced with hardware before (beyond sending a sig~ into the ES-8).

It sounds like I can do what I want with Grid + Ansible and custom scales with Kria, so I might go for it…

#349

I’m curious about this. It didn’t seem intuitive to me from what I’ve read / seen that you could actually build a sequencer with Teletype… I had thought of it more as a live coding system.

Where would I start if I wanted to go this route?

#350

It’s a live coding environment with a number of features that make it very useful for creating things like sequencers.

Here is a really dumb step sequencer. Forgive the inevitable errors I make as I’m not in front of the modular.

For setup, populate the active pattern bank with some notes (just a chromatic scale):

L 0 11: P.PUSH N I

In script 1:

CV 1 P.NEXT
TR.P 1

Patch a clock to input 1, patch CV output 1 to your oscillator and TR output 1 to your VCA. Behold: a chromatic scale. You can tweak this to instead access pattern cells at random (CV 1 P RRAND 0 P.L) or skip triggers with some random probability (PROB 75: TR.P 1) or change gate time as well (TR.TIME 1 RRAND 50 500) or reprogram the note data on the fly or whatever.

It is hard to overstate what a powerful sequencer this is. If you have a grid, you can also use it with Teletype to design completely custom playable interfaces. For more ideas see the Teletype studies (though a lot of functionality has been added since these were originally written).

crow is capable of many of the same scriptable CV control possibilities, but scripted in Lua instead of Teletype’s custom stack-based scripting language. crow just came out and we are all still learning a lot about what it’s capable of. For a comparison of crow vs Teletype see here.

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