#436

Awesome!
norns+grid+crow it is! :slight_smile:

What I like about “option 1”, I can stick within one paradigm - norns - and one scripting language - Lua. And that it is very flexible and powerful in integrating it with modular.

Is that “option 1” a substitute for ER-101 or an addition or both?

Thank you so much for articulating it crystal clear and with the contrasting of all the options in a very comprehensible way.

#437

It really depends on how you think about sequencing and whether Norns+Grid+Crow fit what you want to achieve musically. I’d work with that wildly powerful trio for a while before adding a ER-101.

I think the question about the 101 comes down to whether you’re drawn to precomposing sequences or whether you’re more inclined to real time instrument interaction. (of course you can also flip these but I think the distinction serves what the two use cases best afford).

#438

Yeah, I am sure I will have a lot to start with with that setup. I am not worried since the ER-101 wont be delivered right now outside Japan. And it looks they are not even available pre-owned.

I think I am. I like composition and structure and thinking about all elements how they can be woven together.

#439

So I am thinking about getting into the monome universe. I was thinking about starting with a teletype and an ansible (I have the mannequins w/ as well). I have a couple questions. 1. I know i can connect through I2C, but can I connect control both with the teletype at the same time, or is there just room for one connection? 2. Using teletype with ansible, will I have access to kria, meadowphysics, and Earthsea, or will it be limited (as opposed to a grids). I would eventually like to get a grids and norns when they get them in stock, but wanted to start with teletype and ansible first. Thoughts?

#440

Teletype has two 2x3 headers for I2C, so you can attach up to 4 devices directly to Teletype (each connection only requires 3 pins). However you can daisy-chain additional devices to connect more devices to the bus, and in fact this is usually the best way to wire many I2C devices since it allows for a smaller total cable length compared to a “star” pattern. So, the number of devices you can connect is limited basically by electrical properties of the I2C bus – total length of cables, etc. – and not by connectors or any fixed number. In practice I believe 4-6 devices connected to Teletype is pretty achievable.

It is theoretically possible to drive these apps from Teletype alone because Teletype has generic ops for switching apps and pressing grid keys. But this is quite impractical, there is basically no visual feedback, and it probably requires a lot of familiarity with these apps to try and pull this off, I can’t recommend it unless you are looking for a real esoteric coding challenge.

My feeling is that Teletype is an ever-growing universe of possibility that, most likely, no single user has charted the limits of, and it can keep one busy and coming up with new ideas for a long, long time. With all the new W/ I2C functionality there are a ton of new options for script-controlled synthesis / delay / virtual tape that you can take advantage of. If you eventually add a grid, it is possible to write Teletype scenes that use custom grid interfaces, adding a powerful interaction component.

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#441

Thanks for the great feedback. This seems like something I can grow into (and that is awesome).

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#442

So another question. Hopefully this is clear. For a bit of background, I have quite a bit of experience with Max and PD, and a little with supercollider, octave/matlab. The various Norn scripts and different things you can do with it are extremely appealing, but honestly daunting. I am a bit hesitant about using the minimal amount of free time I have to code/script, as opposed to make music. I know there are scripts already available. Does Norns come as an empty slate, or are there scripts built it? Would the best way to integrate into modular be with Crow? It also looks like it plays nice with grids, but that isn’t available atm. I have gone over pretty much every video and tutorial I could find as well as some on the internet. The possibilities are awesome but I am a bit hesitant about something so open ended, as in I wouldn’t know where to start. Any help would be appreciated.

#443

There are coming upto 100 scripts available for Norns in the library currently - containing a variety of different approaches, engines and functionality. For me, many of the stand out scripts tend to have a bias toward working with a live buffer and/or sequencing, though I’d love to see more sample manipulation scripts. I had expect to try my hand at the studies (i’ve no coding experience to speak of) - certainly I have plenty of ideas of things I’d love to try (K4815 // Pattern Generator port). However a young family and busy dayjob means I have been more than satisfied with using other peoples creations to help me with my music making. The bar really is so high !

I’m not sure I would get on so well without a grid, though plenty of people seem to. Crow is on the list next, to better integrate my euro system. It’s a fun rabbit hole for sure.

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#445

Hi, not sure if this is in the best place, but here goes: after buying Grid and Ansible a couple years back to sequence my rack, I’ve started to phase out my modular, or at least downsize it.

I’ve sold my Ansible, but kept my Grid, knowing how it can be applied to many different programs. I’ve done some hunting and pecking and playing, downloading various scripts, attempting with various degrees of success to get them working in Live 10 and Max 8. And I’ve brought my laptop and Grid on a 2 week summer vacation to do further exploration.

So my question is a broad one (and a subjective one, knowing how open-ended the Grid is designed to be):

where to start? what are some of your favorite applications of the grid that led to mind-expanding, a-ha moments that this is the interface for you?

(Moderators: if there is a “New to Grid” thread somewhere, or if this should be a new thread, please let me know)

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#446

Search the maxforlive, grid and max tags in the Library category, you’ll find some goodies there such as this

EDIT: And this doc page on monome.org

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#447

I get a lot of satisfaction out of building little utilities like this: Grid Single/Double/Long Press Detector

And yeah +1 to @yobinkfor reverse engineering other projects that interest you! Even if you learn just one little piece of it you’ve made progress.

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#448

Hey gang, this is probably the wrong thread, but here goes. Am using Meadowphysics (which I’ve used on norns a lot) on an Ansible for the first time. In 4CV/4TR mode, how does Ansible decide when and where to send triggers? CV1/TR1 behave as expected, but CV2/TR2 appears to fire according to some other time base.

I didn’t see anything in the docs. Did I miss it?

Edit: some deeper forum searching yielded this answer, which I assume to still be correct: Meadowphysics / Ansible question

#449

Hey good people. Is currently the only way to directly integrate an arc into a modular setup via ansible? I was expecting to find arc ops for teletype but didn’t find any. Not in possession of an arc but in the research phase.

#450

if you have Norns and a way to get midi into the system, this could be an alternative. I don’t have an Arc, but I’ve run Grid-utilizing scripts into my Hermod (when Crow is otherwise engaged).

#451

Levels and Cycles are the two Ansible apps to bring Arc into the modular, you can have a look at their documentation here. As for Teletype and Arc, there is some integration via Ansible in the manual here.

edit for clarity…

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#452

Thanks @Gexex and @Voiron27 for the replies. Unfortunately what I was expecting. I have a Teletype and am not really looking to add an Ansible atm, a Crow I might want to add later so via my Norns could be an option, but I still like the idea of a direct connection into Teletype. Anyone any idea why there aren’t Arc ops? Is it technically possible?

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#453

Sure, it’s technically possible, but the grid functionality for Teletype was a rather huge undertaking. Someone might be interested, it’s maybe a little less obvious to me how it would work.

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#454

Arc --> Max --> Crow would work too if that’s a route you’re interested in.

I’d be interested in what would be possible for Arc and Teletype but I struggle to imagine a scenario that isn’t what’s covered by Arc+Ansible or otherwise.

#455

I didn’t know the grid functionality was such a big effort, but glad it’s there! As for implementing Arc functionality I guess Ansible+Arc-like Teletype scenes could be an end goal (technically no clue). I was just surprised to find no mention of it and thinking out loud if I could prevent needing an Ansible when committing to an Arc :slight_smile:

#456

Hello All,

I have a Monome 64 and am looking to get the ball rolling. I had help setting up in the past and didn’t learn how to do it myself. I’ve used _mlr and dabbled with mlrV back in the day. Just got a new Mac Pro and am ready to get back to producing. Could REALLY use a helping hand here. Thanks and everything is appreciated.