So here’s the pickle.
I have a standard Norns running 210927 firmware. Finally got some time to try and and flash/update, but I wanted to save all my scripts before hand. Plan was to just use the Norns file manager to download all the files, but I can’t connect to wifi, and I can’t make a new connection. I can serial into it, or connect a usb to ether adapter for internet connection, but I have no clue what the terminal commands would be to copy all the files to my raspi 3b+.
Could anyone help me out here? Im kind of at a loss and digging through all the mountains of info is stressing me out and giving me anxiety. It’s like an info overload, if that makes sense.
Any help is appreciated!
So here’s the pickle.
if you can ssh into it then you can use
scp to copy files/directories from the norns to your computer.
If i’m not mistaken, everything created by the end user on norns resides in the
So to back up this directory, you just have to:
- open a terminal on your laptop/desktop
- create a directory to store the backup, eg
- go into that directory:
- use this command
scp -r email@example.com:/home/we/dust .
This will recursively copy the
dustdir from remote norns to the current folder (represented by the trailing point at the end of the command).
I’ll give that a shot first thing tomorrow. Thank you so much for the help!
So! Gave this a shot. Started okay, but the connection keeps timing out. Think I’ll just have to cut my losses, wipe the whole thing, update it, and manually reinstall all my mods, scripts and engines.
Well, tried flashing the latest firmware, 4 different kinds of WiFi dongles, 3 separate wifi connection points, and still no luck. Trying the nmtui method, thought I had all the necessary info filled out. But it still won’t let me select okay after. So I’m officially at a loss. Would anyone be able to provide some detailed instructions on the nmtui method?
sorry to hear about the trouble!
- just to confirm, you’re connecting your unit to your computer via serial?
- if so, have you removed your stored networks via
Edit a connection?
- and if you try to
Activate a connection, do you see a list of networks around you? eg.
- if so, can you select the network you want to connect to and if you hit ENTER does it ask for and accept the password?
- after acceptance, it should show connected via the asterisk next to the network name:
- if this is all unsuccessful with a known working dongle (the one which allows hotspot is a good indicator of compatibility / working status), you might need to change your country code – in Terminal, execute
sudo raspi-configand enter Localisation Options to set your country
hope this helps! happy to assist further with more info, just let us know
Tried connecting via serial last night, but had no real luck. Giving it another shot right now. Made it to this part
and then typed
115200 right after. But I got a notice that there was no command for that or something. I’m taking a smoke break right now, so I’ll have to double check. Should I type
screen /dev/ttyUSB0 then hit enter and type
115200? Or should it all be one line then enter?
When I go under wifi on the Norns it picks up the wifi signals around me. It’s just not saving my pass for them for some reason.
for sure, happy to help! if your wifi isn’t activating, the
nmtui steps are best done via serial, so let’s get it sorted!
after this step, you have to press TAB to autocomplete your serial number, then enter
115200. you’ll end up with something like
screen /dev/tty.usbserial-A9053JEX 115200 all on one line, then press ENTER.
then, from the docs:
If you see a blank screen, press ENTER.
You’ll be asked for login credentials. Login is the same as SSH above.
if you haven’t changed those credentials, it’s the default username (
we) and password (
let us know how it goes!
I think I’ll have to switch this all over to my mac later when my boys are napping. I’ve been trying on my pi, just because it’s setup in my living room. So it’s accessible while I’m watching my two sons (1yo & 4m). Anyways, for one reason or another the tab key isn’t working. But here’s hoping I can get it resolved later tonight! Thanks for the help! I’m still new to command line stuff, so every little step is a big step for me.
omg, so so sweet – those are wonderful ages. my sister’s kids are roughly the same distance. a super special zone
so glad to be a part of the journey! let us know how it goes
Alrighty. So I tried on my Mac, but the TAB key still didn’t do anything for me. Idk what’s goin on. I used 2 different keyboards.
On my Mac it says
Cannot exec /dev/tty.usb : no such file or directory.
I’m using the same cable I used to flash it, so I know the cable will tx/rx data.
FINALLY got it! I didn’t realize ‘screen’ was something that needed apt-get install.
When I looked in maiden though, I got this error mentioning an Unterminated string. Think it’s something to be concerned with?
oh wild –
screen should be installed by default on most distros, didn’t even occur to me to suggest
apt-get install screen, thank you for the diligence and excellent thinking!
The Bomboy's your wifi network name? if so, this is very silly, but i’m wondering if that name is actually to blame for the previous trouble – it looks like it’s entered with a prime, rather than an apostrophe, which i think would demarcate to linux that it’s the start of a quoted string which has no end.
for reference, here’s an example of how an apostrophe-based network would print to the console:
which has just a little more tilt than the prime/hash:
either way, the presence of that network name will print the syntax error, because the system assumes it’s the start of a quoted string and it alerts when there’s no termination – if you don’t need that network to be remembered, you can remove it via the WIFI menu on norns
Bomboy our family’s last name.
But I took that little
' out of our routers wifi name and it’s working like a charm now!
Apologies for the trouble - we actually have a bug filed for this very issue that hasn’t been resolved yet.
Yeah, not long after I thought I had fixed the issue, my wifi points were saved but no longer showing up when trying to select one.
No new connections are coming up again either.
Anything I can do to help further test?
How far are you from the wifi base station? If you are using the little wifi nub which ships with the standard norns the range on those has turned out to be limited when compared against a laptop or phone.
Other forum members have reported compatibility problems with certain newer wifi mesh networks.
At first, about 15-20 ft. Then tried right next to it. I’ve also tried three different brands of wifi dongles. Plugged ethernet cable to router, then network to usb adaptor, then adaptor into Norns gets internet connection.
I’ll try serial connection again with my raspi tonight and see if nmtui provides a list of available wifi options.
Alright, so I managed to get Norns connected to my wifi through
serial but couldn’t access maiden. The site would load but not connect. After putting Norns to sleep then booting back up, my WiFi connection was deleted, and it won’t even let me start a hotspot.
@dan_derks do you have any ideas also?
I’m wondering if the filesystem is 100% full on your device - that might explain the rather erratic behavior in addition to WiFi connection configurations being deleted after getting setup.
If you can connect to your device over serial and run the command
df -hl and paste the output here. You should get something like this:
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/root 29G 7.6G 20G 28% / devtmpfs 486M 0 486M 0% /dev tmpfs 490M 83M 407M 17% /dev/shm tmpfs 490M 19M 471M 4% /run tmpfs 5.0M 4.0K 5.0M 1% /run/lock tmpfs 490M 0 490M 0% /sys/fs/cgroup /dev/mmcblk0p1 43M 22M 22M 51% /boot tmpfs 98M 0 98M 0% /run/user/1000
The entry we care most about is that first one
/dev/root if the
Use% column reads 100% (or something close to that) then we should clear out some space first by running the following commands:
rm -rf /home/we/update/*
sudo rm -rf /var/log/daemon.log* /var/log/messages* /var/log/syslog*
sudo apt-get clean
Then after that run
df -hl to see if that generated some free space.
If you were out of space and this did free up some space I would recommend rebooting (sleeping) the device then going back and trying to setup WiFi.