Sadly I haven’t had time to investigate this, partly because I’m less interested in solving what I consider a symptom of a larger issue, which is figuring out how to start up the norns services correctly depending on which device is present.

Posting this here, mostly for my own memory when I get a moment to return to this effort (currently don’t have an es-8 :frowning:). Seems like systemd has tools for sorting it out, maybe?

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do 2 crows REALLY replace 1 ES8???
I want to use max/msp and my eurorack, i was TOTALLY INTO the ES8 still am, but i saw the crow and really caught my attention, still trying to figure it out… SO CONFUSED

crow is not a DC coupled audio interface. There are ways to communicate CV between crow and a computer but you cannot stream audio from your PC to crow or vice versa, it’s not designed for that – all USB communication with crow is basically done as text, and at a lower speed than is used by USB audio.

I have not used an ES-8 but my impression is that it has basically a fixed function, namely acting as an analog/digital interface for directly passing signals through. By contrast crow’s functionality is completely user-defined: you can have crow generate LFOs, sequences, envelopes, etc. on its own, or quantize incoming voltages, or perform any number of unique CV processing functions. Since crow is scriptable it can serve many different use cases and can be a powerful way to experiment with live coding that’s well integrated in a modular system. There are also a lot of Max and M4L options for interacting with crow as a CV interface and this is one of the main areas of crow development, I’m not well versed in Max but you can find some details here. I would say they are devices with fairly different design goals / supported signals / interaction schemes.

As far as interacting with norns, crow can be incorporated into norns scripts as a CV input or output interface, and a lot of norns scripts support some kind of crow interaction modes (or if not it can be easy to add one). To my knowledge no one is actually using ES-8 with norns currently (?) – norns expects to use its own sound I/O, JACK is not really designed for using multiple audio devices concurrently, this thread discusses what would be involved in configuring ES-8 as an alternative audio device.

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+1 to this, crow and es-8 don’t really overlap if you’re actually using crow to it’s full potential. The real attraction of the es-8 is really that it has 4 inputs, which map very nicely to the 4 softcut channels available. The 8 outputs become more of an afterthought, but obviously do provide some strong utility for sending signals correlated to the softcut buffers, ie having a gate/trigger and phasor output per softcut channel seems really interesting to me, and seems to fully replace and extend both the Instro Lubdah and Arbhar given a bit of programming, which is what I’m really after here.

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Thanks you so much for the info! Ordered the ES8, but sure still have crow in my wishlist.