I use playback very frequently, I build songs in additive layers, recording while playing back and performing new layers.

The change I would love is being able to toggle looped playback on and off.

@Justmat playlists would be cool!!!

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Sorry maybe I have not explained it more clearly, I mean that in my case i mostly use a recording feature so projecting my world to the others I think lots of people do too so I thought it might be a good idea to swap them on the screen:)

(This is comes from idea to have recording always on because I always forget to start recording:)

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Ah! I see :sweat_smile: I did misunderstand :slight_smile:

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softcut is literally not designed for this sort of thing (as warned about by others here, lol) and has a bunch of other features i’m not using at all. maybe explaining my current chain would help make sense of the use case i’m working towards:

sound source (presently op-1/op-z/ipad) feeds into norns, which feeds into my newest big dumb splurge, elektron analog heat. this is set up as a soundcard for ableton (which still seems to allow you to use overbridge as a send effect even as it acts as a soundcard despite that not being an option in the elektron settings.)

so the use case for me is really just taking the pressure off to catch every ā€œhappy accidentā€ one might find, or as noted in that other thread if you’re listening to something and think ā€œi should sample thatā€, if you were running through the script, you already did.

like if you were to notice that your local least-bad iheartradio station had changed its tagline to a platitude which, the first time you heard it, sounded awkward but positive, but as it kept repeating, over and over, without any further clarification or explanation, began to take on an weirdly dystopian tone, you could go back and grab a bunch of instances of that thing:

for this case, even when i had the buffer set to run an hour i found i was rarely if ever wanting (or indeed even remembering) to scrub more than 5-10 minutes back to grab something for ableton. and honestly the saturation options on the heat mean i can run softcut at super low sample rates and still get pleasant or at least interesting results. but i am still working with a pretty limited set of sound sources which i know are going into a DAW. so i’ve kind of stumbled upon the rare use case where (to me at least) it actually makes sense to use softcut in this way.


looking at the API, possibly a more traditional version of this concept could be done with the existing tape commands (start tape on script launch, flag things to revisit in lua layer, then maybe interact with the interesting chunks via softcut?) if the tape functionally could be expanded to include commands for playing faster/slower/backwards, it would be an no brainer. but i’m in absolutely no position to comment on how that would work.

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is there any way to edit clips from tape on the device (besides recording tape to tape)?

depends on what you mean by edit :slight_smile:

there’s sam, which can load or record samples, manually trim them, and save it back to your tape folder.

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Have been thinking for a while that a version of timber with devoted record and playback controls on a portion of the grid would break me. Sync them to Crow clock output to seamlessly record phrases of a sequence (stop/start style) and then finger drum variations.

What kind of loop length you looking for? Cheat codes sort of does this 3x and it is way fun

Yeah! I’m definitely looking at it once my Norns gets back from repairs. I tried it before and was impressed but didn’t really know enough about music in general to use it in an interesting way. I think it’ll come pretty close to doing what I’m looking for – and we find out next week!

Hi all,
Is there anything for Norns to make visuals on the grid?
Like this https://vimeo.com/95710911

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Check out the grid tutorials https://monome.org/docs/norns/study-4/ and API https://monome.org/docs/norns/api/classes/grid.html

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I don’t know if this has already been discussed, but I’m guessing I’m not alone in having problems remembering which key/encoder does what in each application?

Obviously this comes with the territory of a universal machine which is designed to be repurposed and there is a balance to be struck between allowing for abstraction and different interaction models on one hand, and forcing conventions or standards on the other. It’s important to retain what we find appealing about Norns and for me that is partly about retaining a sense of fun and wonder.

Having said that and including the disclaimer that I am a big fan of Norns in its current form, including the community ecosystem, it would be interesting to hear thoughts on how to make using each app easier.

Do people use a wide range of Norns apps or stick to a few core ones?
Do people have strategies for remembering how different apps work, or does it just happen naturally through use?

Some tentative thoughts I had:

  1. In Maiden, in the list of installed apps, include the option to display (unfold/fold) the README file from GitHub and/or the script header with the basic instructions.

  2. Have a conventional key combination on Norns to display the help text from script header (does this already exist?)

Or, in a hypothetical ā€˜future Norns’:

  1. Have a dedicated ā€˜info’ key/button which toggles a help page.

  2. Have a more explicit relationship between display and buttons. E.g. four buttons under or above the screen, with dynamic functions, each of which is labelled on the screen by the current app. Often called ā€˜soft keys’. (No I don’t have a Moog One :slight_smile:)

Might require a larger screen I suppose. Might also reduce some of the Norns charm, but then again, app developers wouldn’t be forced to implement apps in this way.

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this is what I do when I’m using a new app for the first few times and I am getting used to the control scheme…

you can navigate to an app, hit key 3 to launch. most (not all) apps have a small info page (text file) that has basic instructions that shows here. you then need to press key 3 again to actually really launch the app.

since key 1 short press toggles between the app and the rest of norns navigation, you can (after launching the app), simply navigate back to that info page for the app you’re using. now key 1 acts as an info toggle.

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Thanks for this! I’m missing something obvious in the ā€˜navigate back to that info page’ part.
EDIT – I see – you mean via SELECT? That is useful, though if you want to then edit settings you have to navigate back again I suppose.

yes, it’s not a permanent solution, but it should be long enough for some familiarity and muscle memory to develop.

for bigger norns apps, I still think documentation off norns is going to be necessary (I really do like your idea of linking github manuals/script headers/etc. through maiden). it took me a long time to be able to understand and navigate cheat codes and I’m still intimidated by arcologies. I don’t think anything on device is going to shorten that gap significantly.

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In recent days I found myself casually looking for libraries which could render markdown file in the browser. The thinking was to be able to display documentation in a more rich fashion within maiden.

While many scripts do have documentation embedded along with their source code some place it elsewhere. To make something like this work there would likely need to be another property added to the script catalog for each entry which points to the docs.

Further suggestions and/or code which helps with accessibility are certainly welcome.

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Thanks, going through tutorials right now, very cool. Do you know if there is a higher level lib do draw objects on the grid (like lines, circles, etc)?

In recent days I found myself casually looking for libraries which could render markdown file in the browser. The thinking was to be able to display documentation in a more rich fashion within maiden.

Sounds good! I’m using markdown-it in a web app, and it works really well, so that would be one option. I can contribute some of my experience with that if it’s useful.

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idk how interested most would be, but i would love some editing features for tape recordings: ability to move playhead during playback, edit file names, move files, etc. would simplify and streamline things for me personally at least!

i dont know exactly what this means, but isn’t it cool how the ai takes the reduced sample artifacts from this audio clip and uses those parts to generate the rest of the track? i have been trying to think of how to extrapolate that idea into some kind of simple script for the past 5 minutes, but i can’t code, even lua, and i’m not as smart as you people so i’m gonna leave this here (samples 1& 3 especially highlight this effect)

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