#6

:wave: I have a Fates, and do not (yet) have a grid.

I’d +1 what’s being said above - there are a lot of great scripts for the platform, and some of my favorites don’t even use a grid at all. IMO, Otis is a great example of a gridless, yet totally playable script.

Also, as a fellow developer, I’ve found that most scripts are pretty short to read and easily modifiable! I’ve modified a few of my favorite scripts (Cranes comes to mind) to take QWERTY keyboard input to substitute for grid interactions :slight_smile: You don’t get the visual feedback of a grid, but you get the interaction without needing to spend too much $$$.

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#7

Not to discourage but I’m sitting on my hands because @tehn re-assured that the goal is continual availability as long as the product is part of the line-up. Granted occasional stock-outs are always possible.

Norns without Grid is an interesting question to think about though, thanks!

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#8

I’ve been messing around with my DIY shield for a couple weeks now and I’m blown away by how powerful it can be without a grid. The way ‘tape’ works, you can print from one script and then keep building on top of it from other scripts till you have an entire song, just like on an OP-1. I only use a 64, so that limits the applications that I can use with a grid. Reels is amazingly fun and I end up throwing most samples through it to explore new possibilities. There are some light sequencing apps that don’t require a gird, and a good amount of FX processing that doesn’t require a grid like pedalboard or pools. I made two full asynchronous ambient tracks before I even plugged in my grid.

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#9

Well, 40 minutes later and that’s settled. Norns Shield it is!

Thanks everyone! :heart:

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#11

our goal is to keep this kits in stock. if they run out, it should be short term.

take your time evaluating! lots to read and see first.

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#12

Yep I probably should have mentioned that one other element of the “perfect storm” is that I’ve found myself with enough financial padding at the moment that picking up a Norns Shield isn’t going to instantly make me feel guilty about it…and I can still get my daughter that clear acrylic cat-head kalimba she really wants. And then we can jam. :slight_smile:

If anything I feel guilty saying that given the current situation out there, but it is what it is.

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#13

Take the wins with the losses. We need reasons to be joyful as well.

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#14

buy norns shield, sell all other belongings, live in a cave

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#15

Cranes is a wonderful script that works with and without a grid. I’ve only used it without grid so far. Probably my favorite looper

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#16

…Oh, and Compass works well without grid too!

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#17

And Otis as well as wrms. As far as loopers go you don’t need a grid at all. Pedalboard is also a good script that does not need a grid.

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#18

I have a grid, but very often find myself using Norns without it (because I usually have the grid plugged in to my Ansible instead). Definitely loads to do with it even if you’re gridless!

But… you will end up wanting one… :wink:

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#19

I used norns/crow without a grid for months and loved it, but I must say that once I got a grid it completely changed the way I use norns, and it’s a lot more fun and tactile

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#20

i don’t have a grid but have had a fates since february. I use the launchpad pro for mlr(64) and some other scripts with midigrid. cheat codes is great with touchosc. a lot of good sequencer scripts and looper scripts are fine without a grid. but i think in order to get the most out of the norns/fates you’ll want to get one. there are a lot of scripts you wont be able to use, but its not necessary. I probably would have been mad if i couldnt use the lpp

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#21

Norns without a grid, you’d be standing by the shopping window, looking in, wondering about all the wonderful lights and stuff going on there.

Not at first, perhaps. There’s plenty to do outside the window as well. An entire world, as it were.

But in time, you’d wonder. You’d look. And you’d want it.

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#22

Orca is another wonderfully deep app that runs without a grid.

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#23

Oh I’ve already looked through that window! And the window with a Norns behind it. At first both windows seemed difficult to open, but the one with the Norns behind it recently became much easier to open, and so that’s that one I’m going through. First. :slight_smile:

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#24

I actually use my norns gridless more than half the time. Im a pretty slow learner so it can be a distraction when Im not just jamming.

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#25

I’ve spent months on this forum trying to get my head around what a Norns would offer me. I built myself a Fates as soon as I could, and have been loving the whole Norns ecosystem. Now of course, I keep thinking about the few apps I can’t really use without a Grids. So I’ll get one eventually. It’s been a gateway drug for me.

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#26

Monome has always been synonymous with elegance, minimalism enclosed in an essential concept.
today I honestly believe that the price for a new Grid is really not very accessible.
But it is also correct that such an avant-garde idea maintains its market. But I think there should be more alternatives. Adafruit Neotrellis looks really good but it is impossible today to build one because of the great demand of the components (look Adafruit NeoTrellis driver boards).
just don’t fall into the trap that would make you think you are limited without having “that piece X” more right? At the moment I find that even NORNS is a magic box from which you can do a lot.
The important thing is to keep the focus on an idea and make MUSIC.

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