#580

True, can’t have it all, I guess.

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#581

Every time you switch it on ? It asked me just once.

#582

it’s every time i switch it on…

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#583

That’s weird indeed. Tried reinstalling the OS ?

#584

i think this is called “motion sequencing” on old grooveboxes. at least, thats how i initially learned that method on my electribe es1. the p locks add another layer in that you can edit them later and copy/paste them, move them around, assign them to morphing scenes. speaking of which, i thought the new arturia polysynth’s “morph” feature was pretty cool. i think hydrasynth or one of those has something similar. but i like the idea of having two scenes that you fade between, but without going to the extremes, somewhere in the middle, you do have a ‘morphed’ area where those two sets of parameter values are mixed and in a state of disruption. i realize that’s probably obvious. but i was kind of locked into the mindset that scenes were just a way to switch between two settings. so i think its useful to reimagine how small things like that can be more useful than they appear

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#585

I really wish they would allow to use randomisation while assigning a scene or parameter lock.

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#588

Anyone got tips for setting up octatrack gain staging, especially for thru machines and resampling?

#589

I realised recently it’s best to set your levels to 100. So if you are using DIR, or whatever comes in, if you are monitoring, then DIR 100 is Level 100 once that track is recorded. It’s tempting to set DIR to 127 but if u stick to 100 across the board you won’t hear discrepancies and also avoid clipping.

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#590

One thing that would drive me nuts until I figured it out:
Let’s say you use a THRU machine and a FLEX machine to both handle the same incoming signal. If you want the gain to match you need to crank up the AMP (not the LVL, but the volume you can find on the AMP page) to the max.

If you want to know the whole background here’s a copy paste from what I had written some time ago on Elektronauts:

Btw. I have done another test, just to be sure. I patched the outputs of my interface into its own inputs and checked if there was some significant level differences going on. As far as I can see there is just a 0.4dB difference.
In the light of this:
Flex and Thru machines behave as expected, if I send out a sine @ -12dbFS and sample it back in and play the result back I get the same volume. which means that the incoming level is maintained. If I do the same with Thru I get a signal that is 12db lower, which confirms that there is a -12db attenuation and tells us that the Thru machines do nothing to make up for it by default.
So far so good.
Now considering that:

  • the output level of my audio interface (and please note that as @Open_Mike as stated before, this value changes from interface to interface) hits the overdrive mark in the OT at -8dbFS (in the DAW) and
  • that when I import a sinewave at 0dbFS into the OT directly and play that back without any changes of level it will measure 20dBFS in the DAW. 20 - 12 = 8, so you have those 8dbFS again.

So let’s just say that my audio interface has an “offset” of 8dbFS compated to the OT. If we remove those 8db we get how the OT bahaves independently from my audio interface.
For the sake of this explanation let’s just call the -8dbFS in my DAW 0dbFS. so 0bd in the DAW == 0db in the OT

Now, there’s one oddity that emerges if I do the math:

  • If I send out a file @ 0dbFS from the audio interface and sample it I end up with a @ 0db on the OT’s CF card not -12db.
  • When I import a 0dbFS sample and play that back I get a level of -12dB, which is 12db lower than what I was expecting.

So I deduct that the OT will apply the +12db boost that is automatically set in the sample settings for the recording buffers the moment you hit “save to new sample”. I need to see if the same happens if the setting is at 0db.

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#591

My setup is: mixer: +40 Main and Cue, all else 0. On Thru machines input +53. Track levels left at 108. That’s it. (I don’t use DIR but if I remember correctly like tracks levels 108 - maybe 127 - did it). If I don’t increase Master vol I find the OT much softer than my other instrument levels. I don’t want to drive the input gains.

This matches the signal levels switching between my mixer (mackie) and sending to OT (via alt 3/4 bus) Sampling and resampling is fine.

Input lights should be orange, flickering red on transients.

#592

I think the boost is applied post recording. I’m pretty sure if you were to upload samples directly from the card the boost wouldn’t be there. I could be mistaken…It’s applied only because that’s it’s current sample settings.

#593

This is what I got when uploading a smaple directly tot he card:

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#594

I’m not at my OT right now but, yes, I think that’s how Elektron has designed it: for whatever reason a +12 increase of the sample aligns it with the rest of the machine; it comes off to me as the equivalent to normalizing the sample without permanently altering the sample; if I remember correctly normalizing a sample on the OT would require I reduced the +12 db in the sample settings to bring it back to 0 in line with everything else.

I think importing a file requires you to increase the sample gain to +12 to bring in line with the rest. Any recorded sample exported is without the +12 increase.

This is my experience anyway.

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#595

Yes, that’s the way it works in my experience as well.
I think it’s to give you some headroom to work with, a 12dB margin when working @24bit is what I see often recommended.

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#596

So what I’m struggling with: I have one thru track and one flex track that records said thru track. Flex is all default settings, thru is at max in amp page (previously I tried maxing level in SRC page, but found that to overdrive signal).
Flex recordings always end up much louder than thru track, do I need to remove 12db boost in sample settings?

Small correction, I guess I record inputs directly, not thru track. But the recording ends up louder than what I anticipate

#597

weird. If I leave everything on default but just crank up AMP on the thru track to max, then levels match for me. Check both in the mixer and record buffer settings pages if you don’t have a gain applied somewhere.

#598

It’s it default for recording buffers to have 12db in sample settings?

#599

sorry, I probably need to get to my OT and try this myself, I’m not so sure about things anymore. I’ll see if I can check that later.

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#600

Yes. This is applied as an effect. It doesn’t affect the actual sample.

Your situation does at first glance seem steange but as its the OT it could be anything.

You should not have to remove the 12db gain.

Flex track amp is at 0? No scene locks might be affecting it?

#601

No, nothing I can find.