Here’s a link to Allen Strange’s book:

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There is an interesting point to make regarding the “athlete” vs the “locomotive conductor” in re: cybernetics (in the academic sense, not the sci-fi sense).

In the case of the performer with an acoustic instrument, there is a very clear path of transduction for bodily kinetic energy (e.g. vibrating vocal chords, or an arm pulling on a bow tugging on a string, a lung exhaling into a resonating tube, a finger pressing a lever, an arm and a hand striking a membrane etc.) into auditory acoustic energy (vibrating air). This might be akin to your “athlete”, wherein their direct bodily action is transferred to eg a ball.

On the other hand, you are suggesting that the synthesist and synthesizer form a feedback network. Unlike the acoustic performer, the acoustic energy is sourced not from the perfomer’s body, but rather directly from the electrical grid (or chemical gradients in batteries) - in both cases though, somewhere along the line the energy is sourced from the sun. In your paradigm, the synthesist’s job is to steer the flow of this electricity along a path towards eventual actualization by the machine as sound. The synthesist responds to this auditory (and sometimes visual or tactile) feedback and adjusts the parameters of the system to continuously alter the sound produced. This a pretty classical description of a cybernetic system. Indeed, the root of “cybernetics” is the Greek κυβερνήτης ( kybernḗtēs), referring to the oarsman steering a boat (edit: can’t find a reference now but a used to think that there was a specific example of this root in reference to the person guiding a boat across the river Styx - but perhaps that is my over active imagination…). The comparison to a conductor seems fair to me.

On some level there is a qualitative difference in some of the parameters of practicing due to this difference in energy sources for transduction into acoustic vibration, however I think it is probably more productive to think about where the similarities lie.

For instance, your description of a conductor guiding a system and responding to inputs and outputs would be just as apt for the experience of a performer - whether acoustic or electronic - in the context of improvisation, whether in a group or solo setting. Similarly, the precise gestures of an acoustic performer are relevant to an electronic musician - whether it is a DJ executing a series of transitions in quick succession, or a synthesist using a touch controller, or the embodied knowledge of a performer intuitively knowing where all the different knobs/faders etc may be and seamlessly flowing from one point to another, or a Monome user executing a series of gestures in a Grid app.

Furthermore, in the case of performance, the electronic performer has the same challenge as the acoustic performer in considering how to relate to the audience and what degree of control or freedom to give themselves in their bodily actions, whether it be posture, facial expressivity, movement to a rhythm etc. The electronic performer has the added challenge of deciding whether or not to even try to express a relationship between their body and the music vs accentuating the abstraction between the two.

While it’s true I think that there aren’t exact analogs between eg practicing scales or drumming rudiments in the context of a synthesizer, I do think there are absolutely direct analogies between acoustic practice and electronic practice, especially when considering things from the improvisational, collaborative, and compositional perspectives. Furthermore, where there are differences, it can be enriching to try to take forms of practice that are easy to model in one domain and attempt to create a version of them in the other. For instance if the direct link between bodily energy and acoustic output is important to you or something that you enjoy, try seeing how you can integrate that more fully into your modular system. You might try using contact microphones, or motion sensors, a Kinect, a microphone or breath sensors, etc.

Edit: here’s a link to a very excellent collection of papers on the relationship between the body and sound in the context of electronic music composition and performance.

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This feels like a really shallow and specific idea of what could be practiced, and what the performer of a modular synthesizer does while playing it… again, it might be how you relate to your instrument but it does not apply to the instrument and practice of playing it in general.

While I still don’t agree with the idea here, there’s also a problem with the examples you’ve given in supporting your perspective.

With a locomotive engineer, or an accountant, there is still practice involved in becoming good at that craft. It’s different than a dancer’s, but it’s still practice in the same way. To do either of those things you need to not just learn all the theories and requirements, but to practice putting them into use in different contexts over and over again until you’re good enough to do it when there is real risk involved.

It is starting to sound like what you’re talking about is “artistry” or “expressiveness” rather than practice. Can a modular synthesizer have the same type of expressiveness and artistry as an acoustic instrument? That feels like the question you’re really driving towards.

And I think yes, it absolutely can have those things and in much the same way as any other instrument. A performer who practices with a modular system can build that same capacity to speak through the instrument, and mould it into to their own aesthetic and voice. You can develop this through practice, and then perform it…

I also know some pianists and cellists that would think of themselves more like engineers than artists… it might be more about how you relate to, and use, the instrument in your own craft than anything innate to the instrument itself.

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I’m sure my opinions are derived from how I relate to the instrument. For myself I don’t feel like I’m practicing in the sense of training through repetition, I feel more like I’m studying, exploring, and experimenting with modular synthesizer.

I feel very rarely that I need to do something with well trained coordination that would require practice on the modular. On the other hand I find myself often thinking and planning before I’ve turned the machine on forming hypothesis and strategies. After I have something patched up I find I am working out how to evolve the current patch or add a complimentary voice. In these processes I feel more like an alchemist. I would be less likely to say: “I’m going to practice my alchemy” I would more likely say “I’m going to study alchemy.”

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No it isn’t. It comes from the Greek κυβερνήτης, which means captain etc. Kyber is not a word. So, it’s not the root of the word cybernetics, it’s the entirety of it that comes from the Greek word. I appreciate a good use of word etymology, so I sincerely hope this helps you next time you make this reference. :grinning:

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It still feels like you have defined practice in a very particular way and are unwilling to think about it differently. Practice is no just about physical dexterity or coordination, it’s also about learning how your instrument can be played and how you can use it to express your musical ideas.

Did you learn what strategies work for your goals through trying them on your instrument? If so, that’s practice. Do you continue to develop new strategies and ideas by trying things on your instrument? That’s practice.

And when you have an idea that you want to try, do you get it done perfectly the first time? Do you only do it once? If you have to try it a few times and then do it more than once to fine tune it, that’s practice.

If none of that is true, then maybe you really don’t practice. In which case I’d say that if it works for you it doesn’t mean that modular synthesizers can’t be practiced (which was your original statement), and that you might want to try it because there are things you can practice in order to achieve your musical goals even if it has nothing to do with coordination or timing.

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Fair enough, I shouldn’t have been so rushed with that and should have taken the time down to grab the actual word :slight_smile: thanks for the correction :+1:

Edit: definitely knew the original full word was kybernetes, but was thinking there was some link between Charon on the Styx and “kyber”/kybernetes etc. Now I can’t find the text that led me to believe that in the first place and am wondering if I made that up! Or perhaps it was something a lazy professor said once a while ago for the sake of a poetic lecture, idk…

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Hey, don’t worry yourself too much about it. I hope I didn’t sound pedantic! I honestly enjoy terminology and etymology, as well as word origin and history (language doesn’t care much about rules, regulations, or purity, it’s so organic and lively and gives its own history of things) and I appreciate when someone corrects mistakes I make on etymology. I happen to be somewhat proficient in Greek, or at least aspire to be, so I felt like providing some extra info on the word.

It’s actually funny if you think how a late 20th century term like cybernetics, highly connected with technology (which is also a Greek term), originates from a word that old. It baffles me when I think about these things!

Back on topic :slight_smile:

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Really enjoyed reading this thread. I’m rather new to modular (about 6 months in now), but have been playing drums for a long long time. Currently I’m having a hard time balancing all three of these topics in the title. I’m unsure if my issue is discipline or maybe my ambitions are just too high? I already played a live show a month back, so I spent a good amount writing/rehearsing/planning that, trying to put out a record later this summer while also studying modular & experimenting with my new instrument. I’m finding that my creative output exponentially increased quickly, but now has plateaued a bit currently which is probably due to my inexperience with the instrument.

Are there any specific things anyone does here to “study” modular in a more disciplined way, while still keeping some creativity in the mix? I’ve thought of doing some “3 module challenges” to force my brain into trying new patches, but is there anything that you’ve found has worked well?

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I haven’t given it a lot of time lately, but my current practicing with my modular has revolved around exploring outgrowths of a two-oscillator monosynth patch, with the goals of mapping out the sonic territory available there, and to learn to play with a sequencer (Kria, with assistance from Teletype). I kept the exact same patch for months, until recently I had something of a breakthrough with Kria—which caused me to want to go back to the bones of the patch and build some of the superstructure with what I learned in mind.

Actually this process involved a LOT of patience and frustration for me. Playing with sequencers is still fairly foreign to me as someone with a piano background. I guess the main thing I’ve learned in life lately (I’m working on a PhD) is that if I stick with a problem without beating my head against it, I will eventually make progress. So in fact most of my “process” lately in music but also life is about gently holding my nose to the grindstone.

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I think the three module concept is great. The limitations really opens up possibilities and moves you forward. Too many modules can bog you down with all of the possibilities.

Once you’re comfortable set a challenge like recreating specific sound or creating a second part.

Too often I find myself trying to recreate synth sounds I’ve heard. While this isn’t bad I don’t find it as satisfying creatively. Though it can be good for learning.

When you’re out of ideas try reading the manual or swap one module for another.

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As I’ve been using mostly using Kria in my own sequenced explorations, I’d be interested in hearing more about your breakthrough and how it’s affecting your process / practice methods :slightly_smiling_face:

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I posted this in another thread recently, but “patching backwards” can be fun - start with a cable plugged into your output jack and work from there. Any time you want to make a new connection start with the destination jack and then decide where to source voltage from for that jack. Imagine constructing the entire patch diagram from the output and moving upstream, rather than starting from the original CV/signal generators and moving downstream.

Another useful exercise: give yourself a short time limit to build a patch and play with it. Don’t record anything you do! Focus purely on exploration without the pressure of recording/“creating” something good. Tear it down immediately when you are done, to emphasize the ephemeral nature of the exercise. Or hey, if you really love it, then keep working on it! Maybe see what the craziest noisiest thing you can get going in 10 minutes is, play with it for 10 minutes, and then totally deconstruct it and re-initialize everything. Maybe you have a more specific goal: set up a basic rhythm, lead, and atmosphere voices in 10 minutes. Jam with it for 10, and then deconstruct and start over. The general idea is to give yourself small challenges or goals and to work in a manner where you are not necessarily interested in the final output, and giving yourself freedom to explore in a controlled/educational fashion in a non-judgmental way.

Another exercise: pick a module that you normally use in one manner, and try building a patch around it that is totally different to how you normally like to use it. For instance, use your clock divider for generating subharmonics rather than clock divisions. Use your Slew Limiter as an envelope generator rather than for portamento. Use a s+h for sample rate reduction instead of CV sampling. Etc.

This thread has some really good ideas - there are others like it on lines and elsewhere too!

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It’s really a small idea and one that’s actually written in the docs somewhat, but I hadn’t internalized it: phasing and alt notes are really more core to Kria than I was thinking. Even playing with this simple configuration has really taught me a lot:

play Awake on Kria

turn on each step for track 1 in the trigger page, write a simple 8-step melody, doesn’t need to be fancy on the notes page (make sure to set the note page loop length to 8!), and then press the note button again to get to the alt-note page. Set the loop length to 7, but write something relatively spare—two or three notes different from the root is plenty. Now you’ve just written 7 bars of music, with the added benefit of the feeling of musical progression coming from the phasing of the alt-note sequence against the main melody. And then of course there’s plenty to explore from there, but having that as a baseline is very exciting to me.

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@alanza, @voidstar and @soggybag: this is all super helpful! Can’t wait to go home and try out some stuff after work tonight.

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This is fun…

https://www.tips.modularparts.net/book-bad-ideas-v2-pdf/

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reading through the exchange and perspectives was very interesting @soggybag @emenel. It made me remember a feeling during a performance I had yesterday that I hadn’t felt in quite a while. Kind of tangential to the conversation here, but just popped into my mind when reading.

Some context, for the past year or so, I have done maybe 10 or 15 performances focused around the modular, kind of all over the place in the way I’ve set things up (sometimes partially performative with a keyboard-like interface, sometimes generative with control over various parameters, lots of times mixing voices in and out).

I broke out the guitar for yesterday’s performance and there was a moment where I was playing a sort of complicated (to me, probably not really to someone well-practiced hah) melody, and I knew that I needed to move to something else, but I felt like I couldn’t focus on figuring out what that move was (because I would mess up the thing I was currently doing if I took a second to “stop” and try to remember).

I hadn’t felt that same brand of “pressure” in any of my modular performances (though I’ve definitely had to do some troubleshooting while playing). That isn’t to say, it’s not possible to set up a single-voice patch that was very much “performed” (as in the sound stops when you stop), but I’ve never been drawn to build something that doesn’t have a few things going on that I can let take up the space for a second while I gather a “plan”.

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When I talk about modular, either in discussions, presentations or in a casual conversation with other modular users, what I always point out is that the major difference between acoustic and electronic performance is that in the latter, more often than not, you can take a breather.

Being able to take a step back and listen to your performance makes all the difference in the world. And it’s far from an easy task to do. It might sound easy, but it’s not, and as such it takes practice.

I used to let the thing play (either when using a looper, a sequencer, etc) and step down, and listen with the audience for a few seconds. It seemed like a gimmick, a gesture of sorts, but it was mostly to put myself in the right position, that of the audience. This was and is important for me in many different levels (soundwise, performance-wise, psychology-wise). One of my biggest gripes with modular performances (I don’t exclude myself from this) is that they can end up being of more interest for the performer than they are for the audience; I mean, let’s face it, it can be really fun to play with a modular system, it’s one of the best aspects of it as an instrument.

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Thanks for these ideas! I think that finding ways to short circuit judgment is one of the biggest challenges for people of all skill levels. Starting out it’s hard to explore without worrying about sounding “bad” and I think for established musicians it’s a challenge too (since they have an idea of how they “should” sound), even though the most growth can come from exploring without worrying about the result.

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Nahre Sol made a good video describing some of her process practicing challenging piano compositions. It’s nice to see someone with a high pedigree going through the same process as the rest of us. I especially like the part where she listens to a recording of a different person’s performance, gets discouraged then immediately tries to practice as fast as the recording…and fails miserably. I do this a lot, especially after watching youtube videos of world class performers and think something like “I could do that if only I had more time to practice.” Though sometimes it’s about spreading that small amount of time over many days rather than brute forcing all at once.

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