#123

I know exactly what you mean. I actually only had a computer, maschine and a grid for 10 years. Have upgraded to an OP-Z and home made norns and realize that my limited pallet prevented me from ever really pursuing this hobby. I can see why buying gear can feel both liberating and eventually paralyzing. I think Orac will be a fantastic noise maker for me, something I can use with the OPZ and Norns/grid. But damn if I’m not already thinking “what about an OP1? Or a Digitone? Or a modular???” Haha

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#124

this is very much my personal experience too…I find it very easy to get distracted by exploring all the wonderful options we have today. not only do we have so many great individual pieces of kit, but having more than one instrument means we have a bewildering array of combinations.

its definitely something I’m trying to be more aware of, as in some ways this was a trap i fell into with software - so many VSTs being released/updated/extended on a daily basis - i found i only ever scrapped the surface of a ‘choice few’

thats not to say its bad to explore new options - it’s something I really enjoy doing (and enjoyment is my main goal!) - but something i personally i try to keep an eye on… that im not just continually chasing the next thing :wink:

yeah, im with @JaggedNZ on this … the internal soundcard is ‘problematic’, so its best to use something else… be it a ‘hat’ or a usb soundcard, your choice.
the PiSound is a good, since its well supported(*), has midi din and is ‘reasonably’ priced, but there are lots of other options - that depending on your needs may suit you better.

orac doesn’t care, all its needs is a properly configured soundcard on the rPI.

(*) many people turning to rPI , are not ‘into’ linux, and this can be a bit daunting at times - so having something working out of the box , with someone you can turn to if you have issues is important - and blokas (pisound) are excellent for this … imo, i think a few extra $ for that is worth it
e.g.bare in mind, they are also behind patchstorage.com and the patchboxOS.

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#126

Indeed, loved it as a kid :slight_smile:

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#127

Okay, so, I just found out that Orac 2.0 running on a FATES board would incorporate the Norns system as part of its whole.

I am, frankly, gobsmacked and trying to wrap my feeble mind around this concept. I guess the best way to do it is ask some questions about how it has functioned for @TheTechnobear in his time developing/using it…

  1. Have you tried running all of these on an early FATES board?

  2. When running Norns with Orac 2.0, where in the chain does Norns fit? Is it top level and ORAC runs like any other script on Norns (albeit one that allows multiple scripts to run)? Or does the Norns environment run much like a single patch environment on an Orac 1.0 setup would (basically one link in the script chains)? Can one run multiple Norns patches under one blanket environment and one instance of softcut?

  3. what’s the difference in performance of Orac 2.0 running Norns between RPi models? Is there examples of the 3b and 3b+ not keeping up? I remember there being a discussion about possible fan placement in between a FATES and a Pi4 not really being a viable option at the moment.

  4. this might be answered by question 1, but, where does softcut end up landing in all of this? How does audio get routed around internally? With the complexity of Norns being so much higher than an organelle, I could see this getting complicated but extremely mind bendy and fun!

I totally assumed that Norns and Orac on a FATES would be an ‘either/or’ kinda deal and now my head’s spinning!! I have a million and 1 more questions, but I feel those might get answered when my hands are on it.

#128

Sorry I think you misunderstood me…

In fates there will be a menu that will allow you to run orac or norns ( or potentially other apps) so you can start and stop each - but you won’t be able to run them at the same time.

Perhaps fates will encourage me to look into deeper integration within norns , but I’m not sure at this stage - so many different ideas and projects, all competing for time and attention :slight_smile:

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#129

Okay. This makes much more sense. Wow, for a second I could barely see straight! It was a pretty shocking potential revelation. Haha. This is far more understandable. In this case, potentially building 2 FATES, one dedicated to Orac, one to Norns seems like my course of action.

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#130

hey yall
quick question

is there a list of existing orac modules (or compatible organelle patches)? cant seem to find it here or on patchstorage

#131

There used to be one on the C&G forum, but not sure if it has been kept up.

#132

found on the c&g forum
thanks!

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#133

Is what you found different than https://patchstorage.com/platform/orac/ ?

#134

i saw that earlier but its a few releases for various platforms with only a handful of modules

initially when i read about orac i vaguely recall ~50 individual modules (plus whatever new custom patches folks make with orac in mind)

if true that seems like a great feature and expected to see a list somewhere but couldnt find it

the google doc list is kind of what i was searching for but it’s likely out of date

#135

Do you mind sharing that?

I’ve been tracking all things Organelle and Orac since early days, and had a pretty solid process of testing new things as they came up and organizing into different categories and usefulness to me, but like many things, as soon as you put it down for a few months and new developments happen, I’ve struggled to keep up. Plus new platforms all over the place and half finished projects abound…

I suspect that https://github.com/TheTechnobear/Orac/wiki will be an eventual home to more info, but it looks like it’s still in its infancy.

I’d love a “source of truth” also.

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#136

try this

it’s actually seems more comprehensive than the pdf i found earlier

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#137

there are some here https://github.com/adbrant/orac_dev/tree/master/orac/modules

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#138

ok FANTASTIC

exactly what i wanted dude
thanks

#139

Thanks @glia & @martindunne!

#140

@glia there are 50+ modules that I created and include in the ‘base install’ - I did put a list somewhere in the C&G forum but cannot find it at the moment.

The orac category in patchstorage is relatively new so some of the modules are in the organelle category.

#141

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTLKrgYphakK8n1iLfxryQRmW-TQw60K8kPnY1DJOHKEp3wZtHpyccbZtcg-9mQS_cA9HGiQtskr2CZ/pub?output=pdf

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#142

We have now started a WIKI for Orac documentation, and Ive included the list of modules in that wiki

Orac Wiki

Early days, but I hope the community can help build it out, in particular to help new users, and also some of the more advanced features of Orac… which can take a bit of digging to find :wink:

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#143

so this should be available soon…

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Thanks to @Gerald_Stevens providing me with a terminal tedium to make this possible… wouldn’t have happened without his support :beers:

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