Orca - Livecoding Tool

[a773]

Two quick noob questions:

1. is there a way to do modulo?
2. is there a way to do subtraction?

I’m in orca_c if that matters…

Edit: hmmm just got this idea that maybe adding a large number will overflow/fold the range and could word as poor man’s subtraction. I’m away from keyboard, but will try out shortly…

[squim]

I seem to remember that there used to be a modulo operator in a previous version of orca but it’s now multiply instead?

[a773]

Thanks! Yeah, M was modulo way back. I was wondering if there is a work around…

[a773]

OK, subtraction by overflow works!!!

subtraction
by.overflow
.....D.....
...........
.....r4....
...zA3.....
....2......

Still wondering if there’s a way to do modulo…

EDIT: Search and ye shall find

.modulo......
.D...........
.............
.r8..1X......
.7Y7Y7I4.by.4
......3......

Now unto actually wrapping my head around this…

EDIT: Just stumbled upon pendulum count:

pendulum
.count..
.4C6....
..4B3...
...1....

[neauoire]

Will output the modulo of 6 % 4 .

1X.
6I4

[a773]

Thanks alot, that’s what I used in my example above.

I get the use of I: 5I4 = “count to four in steps of five” the “4” is modulo, first value output is 1, I guess 1X is used to “hold that value”? Than I don’t understand why 1X doesn’t hold the value of C in the example below. I think it’s really important for me to understand those tiny details.

1X.......
5I4...5I4
.1.....2.
.........
1X.......
5C4...5C4
.2.....2.

[L4COUR]

I have to say that I miss the “&” -operator. being able to both send and receive data I find to be very important because it opens up so many cool possibilities. That said I thought the “&” operator to be quite limited, in that it was only able to receive one character. If ORCA should have ways of receiving not only MIDI but also UDP and OSC data from external sources it would be so awesome! I do however fully understand that it is not an easy task to accomplish.

I could just imagine that it would be super cool to fx. use Max Jitter to analyse video or images and extract data from that and then send via a couple of OSC messages to ORCA and have that control parameters.

[Auguste]

Hey guys im loving Orca and Pilot together so creative and fun to work with, I have abit of a noob question does Orca and Pilot both auto update? Or new I need to manually update each patch?
I have noticed that Pilot seems to really make my computer work even when only playing one or two channels and was wondering if its because im running an older version or somthing! I am running it on a old mac book pro from 2012
Thanks!

[guardabrazo]

I’ve been trying to replicate the shift register example and I’ve come across some weird issues when trying to read variables using V and K. Depending on where I use the operators inside the grid they work or not and I’m trying to figure out why is this happening with no luck yet.
Here is a link to the patch in patchstorage.

I’m also open for some input on how to improve the system…since the loop and modulo operators are now gone I’m not sure if my approach is good or not. Probably not the cleanest…

[bubbleandsquawk]

Orca reads from left to right, top to bottom. In your example, in the upper right section you have labeled ’not working’, you’ll notice Va is working. In that instance and all instances in the area below labeled ‘working’ the write variable precedes the read variable.
You can rearrange it so that everything on the left ‘column’ where you are writing variables is placed above where you are reading them. Shift the axis by 90 degrees so to speak.

Hope that helps.

[guardabrazo]

Ugh, yeah…that makes perfect sense. Thanks a lot! I’ll try to rearrange it
EDIT:
I’ve updated the patch here, all suggestions are welcome, it’s probably not the most elegant solution for this technique.

[neauoire]

@L4COUR

I could just imagine that it would be super cool to fx. use Max Jitter to analyse video or images and extract data from that and then send via a couple of OSC messages to ORCA and have that control parameters.

You can already do that Have you messed with OSC/UDP much?

Also, L4COUR, can I just say how much I appreciate the way you help/encourage/support the others members of this thread. You’re amazing. So, thank you.

[fourhoarder]

that answers some questions for me too, thanks!

[L4COUR]

Thank you for the kind words @neauoire I am happy to help where I can

I am still not sure how I would send from Max to ORCA. How would you go about sending OSC from an external source into ORCA?

I imagined that it would just be as easy as this

but this doesn’t work, because the “=”-operator is only for sending OSC, but what if it was more like an I/O port, where it could also receive data on an OSC port, would that be possible to do?

[neauoire]

It’s even easier than that.

Send the message write:H;12;34 to write the glyph H , at position 12,34. You don’t need to do anything special in orca, it’ll just write the glyph. So the idea is to draw the glyph at a place that is meaningful in your patch, like a sequencer.

[magfoto]

I’m using Max Jitter to receive OSC from Orca. Works with UDP and OSC simultaneously too!

@neauoire, I am truly grateful for the tools you built, especially Orca. I have to say, I look forward to doing more with this and hope to eventually be able to contribute more to the community. Thank you @L4COUR for your posts, good to know there are other Max users who love Orca!

[L4COUR]

@magfoto yea nice not to be the only Max user hehe. Yea, receiving OSC data sent from ORCA makes total sense, and I really think you can make some quite elegant systems going from Orca to Max. However, going the other way around I believe to be less elegant.

Orca - Livecoding Tool

It’s even easier than that. [image] Send the message write:H;12;34 to write the glyph H , at position 12,34. You don’t need to do anything special in orca, it’ll just write the glyph. So the idea is to draw the glyph at a place that is meaningful in your patch, like a sequencer.

I have tried using the ORCA “write”-function in a patch I developed a couple of months back.

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In this patch you have both ORCA and Max/MSP open. in order to control ORCA, you activate the max window and then you can move around inside orca and place all operators, besides from “:”,";" and “=”. While this works, and weirdly enables diagonal movement within ORCA, it also does this weird thing where, as you can see on the screenshot, highlights 3 cells on the X-axis with the middle one being the one that is in the correct coordinate for the, in this case, “J”-operator to be placed within. In this case, I just want the cell where the “J”-operator is located in to be highlighted. Otherwise, writing the parameters for operators like “A” becomes impossible because in placing the parameter you will also delete the “A”-operator.

I don’t know if this makes sense, please write to me if this doesn’t make any sense.

@neauoire if this makes any sense to you, I think that changing this console command so that write would just write an operator where the cursor is placed instead of at a specified coordinate would make a lot more sense, be easier to work with, and result in more elegant systems. I don’t know how one would do it. I do however believe that my issue with the highlights can be avoided if I did not have to specify the coordinates for the write command.

In short: I think the write command should be changed so that you would online have to write

write:H;

and that would result in an operator “H” being written at the current cursor position in ORCA.

Sorry for the long explanation, and I hope it makes sense.

[neauoire]

Why do you use select? would could simply write?

I’ve also pushed a little update(v175) that makes it so wr:H writes at the cursor position.

[L4COUR]

@neauoire thank you so much, looking forward to try out the new update!

well the reason that I am using “select” is that I tried to create a full on controller for ORCA within Max. I don’t know how useful it will ever be, that said I find it to be an interesting way to explore what ORCA can do.

[neauoire]

Might be useful for disabled people.