Leaked press release: https://www.elektronauts.com/uploads/short-url/ctSdW9amcdAoMy90QJ4ctdXHqEB.pdf

Claims an MSRP of €499 EUR/$599 USD, as @AlessandroBonino suggests above.

I have to say, the MSRP makes a lot of sense to me. It’s just affordable enough where it won’t need to be a sure thing, “bigger+better than any of my current alternatives” buy. It’s instead tremendously appealing even just as an adventurous, let’s give this a shot deal. (Design-wise, it frees them up to go all-in on the kind of workflow boosting limitations that would frustrate users expecting some kind of be-all solution.)

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Wow, I had heard twice that. Seems aggressive. I’m wondering what kind of hardware is inside it… I am unhappy with the I/O, but I’ll be keeping an eye on this.

Yeah, would like more IO but that’s alright, for sure

When you go to the https://polyend.com/product/tracker/ website mentioned in the press release, it says 999 euros or 1199 dollars . . . .

When you go to the website mentioned in the press release, it says 999 euros or 1199 dollars . . . .

An interesting observation was made in the Elektronauts forums that would at least explain this contradiction, fwiw:

btw i would go off the press release rather than the checkout. that price in the checkout is the price of the Seq and I figure they duplicated the Seq in their ecom system to create the new product but haven’t finalized the new item yet.

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I hope you are right. Very interested in this!

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I also don’t share the view that the possible price point of $599 would be bewildering or without comparison, personally. Reminder that Empress Zoia is $499 new and has a screen, knob, grid, three footswitches, MIDI I/O, microSD slot, and significant (ongoing) development work on the software side.

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I would have to say that I’m surprised based on the finer points of the Polyend build, from what I can see. Having built a hardware product and sourced parts, I’m surprised by a few things (please keep in mind that these details are fuzzy and I’m not being extremely precise, just giving some two thoughts)

First the screen of the Zoia is a pretty affordable and low cost OLED screen. It’s rather standard for its type and you can find them for really cheap online. As a bulk price, it’s very cheap.

The Zoia is (I believe, but could be wrong) built off of a Raspberry Pi CM, which takes much of the CPU/processing trouble out of the development. This can be EXTREMELY expensive and time consuming. It appears from interviews that Polyend basically built their own OS to support this project, which as you can see from something like the norns or OP-1 is no small feat.

The mechanical keys are a design of Polyend, which is expensive. The wheel has haptic feedback and there are a few other expensive parts (such as the FM radio which continuously baffles me why that’s included).

If anything, the biggest method of saving for Polyend are the single in/out ports and the midi being only the TRS/usb and not having the 5-pin in the shell. Also, the USB-C protocol is a tough one to implement as well. More added cost.

The biggest cost savings in the single in port though. Out is one thing, Digital to Analogue conversion is a given in this world. Analog to Digital is a bit more tricky and absolutely non-trivial. While it pains me that there’s only one port, it’s the name of the game.

Now, some ways that costs get cut are the cost of labor/living in Poland as opposed to other areas of the world, Polyend’s assumptions about their sales numbers (hence an economy of scale in production) and finally, that they have developed a few products who’s general technology can be appropriated for the Tracker.

For example, they have history of grid based UI’s with the Seq, the Medusa and their eurorack stuff. They have a ton of experience with Midi thanks to the Poly 2, and they have synth and wave table experience due to the Medusa. They can bring a lot of that precious work (granted in simplified form) in to this product, drastically bringing down development cost.

All of this is to say, there’s MAJOR differences in HOW the Zoia and the Tracker are built, what they’re built of and how they all function together. They’re not at all compatible in design, use or price. And all things considered, this is a very competitive and frankly shocking price point. I was worried (for my wallet’s sake) it would be around $1100, since it’s recently dawned on me that Trackers are my favorite way to compose and this hits all my buttons (pun intended!). Only thing I really wish for would be an easy method to transfer tracks from the Polyend Tracker to Renoise, but who knows! Someone in the Renoise community might take the initiative and be my hero!

Anyway, I’m rambling. Just some thoughts about these things and how your comparison wasn’t really apples to apples, as they say

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That’s a really detailed and thoughtful response! You’ve convinced me on this point, thanks :slight_smile:

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My pleasure! I find the construction and development of these things so interesting and fun, so I’m always excited to share my thoughts!

Appears the reveal video goes live in about 2.5 hours!

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that’s a readily available source of unexpected sounds, valuable when you just want to have a play. with trackers sampling and editing is half the workflow. on a unit that isn’t a computer and hasn’t the entire internet to load sounds from, more local sources = better.

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It’s pretty great on the OP-1.

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Its cool, and I enjoy it on my OP-1, but if its just a sampling tool, I don’t see why it would be worth the value on the parts list, but that’s just me.

One of a few videos that just went live.
Nice to hear a “Vordhosbn”-like track in a product announcement for once. Performance mode looks great.
$599 USD confirmed, shipping June 2020.

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It’s very possible (likely) that this thing isn’t running a software stack built from the ground-up, but that it’s built on an android stack and chipset and that it was actually quite cheap and easy to put an extra antenna in there.

Here’s a different hot take—just guessing, might not bear out in practice. It might add just the right amount of value, even for users who don’t expect to use it much. All of Tracker’s instruments appear sample based, which puts fun, quick ways of getting sound materials in there at a higher premium than on something like OP-1. It also oozes the right kind of retro: revisiting old tech as a solution to new problems—option paralysis when it comes to sampling material is a much bigger problem now than when Akufen made My Way.

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Certainly not upset it’s there! The price point of the Tracker is awesome! Just am surprised that this is a tool that continues to be employed in machines like this.

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Would you in theory be able to plug Tracker into Ansible with a midi to usb cable and set Ansible to the MULTI allocation style to get 4 voice sequences converted to CV?

Agreed, it’s surprising to me too! In a “huh?? what?? wait! that not only makes sense, but scratches itches I forgot I had!” kind of way! It also signals a fiercely thorough appreciation of the place for a self-contained hardware groovebox in current day workflows. :yum: