Can you control multiple usb midi devices (such as OP-1, Z, Ableton or Poly2) with a USB hub plugged in to the USB-C port on it?

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I don’t remember where I read it, but if I recall, someone had asked Polyend and they confirmed that a USB hub will work. Edit: it was you who asked them and got a reply, lol. So I think the answer is: yes?

That’s what I thought too! But the passthrough device comment made me question that. But the difference is you need a passthrough for multiple 5-pin midi devices…

Yes, that’s what I meant. I must have misread the post I was replying to. I was commenting on how to communicate with multiple MIDI devices using the traditional DIN-5 ports.

With a USB hub you won’t need that.

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One thing I’m wondering, I haven’t used much TRS midi. Will that TRS midi port just allow for plugging a 1/8” TRS from the Tracker to the Poly2 with no other adapters?

They’re both Type B, so yes, any 1/8" male-to-male stereo cable should be fine.

Here’s some more MIDI info from the FAQ:

Is the Polyend Tracker MIDI compatible?

Yes, it can send and receive MIDI communicates over its dedicated MIDI I/O jack ports and the bidirectional USB type C port.

  • MIDI output sends: clock/transport/notes/CC/PC,
  • MIDI input receive: clock/transport/notes/microves,

What type of 3,5mm jack to MIDI DIN adapter Tracker use?

The tracker needs 3,5mm jack to MIDI DIN TRS type B adapter.
It’s attached in the kit. But if you’d need another one, that’s what you need.

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So, mine has arrived in the mail. Got a good hour with it before I’m having to pack it up for the night.

Thoughts in the wrapper, but basically, I’m excited to get in to it.

Summary

Initial thoughts; it’s really exciting. It has these simple tool sets that apply themselves well to working musically. The ability to just throw in a bunch of waveforms means that the 90 second limit could be extremely minimal.

As for some slight cons; I can see that there is some learning to be done, even from a tracker background. For one, moving away from Hexadecimal, while probably a smart move for people who are not familiar with the tracker world, means I have to basically learn a new context again. As well, 16 integer systems worked well with quantized music, but who am I to complain.

As for build, mine actually might be slightly bowed…! But it feels really solid. This is an exciting project and absolutely what I wanted from a work station. Many groovebox/workstations are free form to a fault. I love my OP-1, but it’s lack of guide rails means I have A hard time building up multilayer tracks that aren’t sample based. As well, Elektron stuff is much more groove based. I find it hard to compose and arrange with. This bad boy will most likely be the brains of the operation moving forward. The midi to CV on the Poly 2 is just more icing on the cake!

Obligatory photo op (Vizsla for size reference):

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Thanks for your initial impressions! Having owned an OP-1 and various Elektron machines, I would agree with the assessments of both of those from a compositional/arrangement angle. Excited to get mine and dive in. (also yay Viszla! You’re lucky he/she didn’t suddenly jump up and start licking you)

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Luckily he’s a lazy boy.

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That’s really good to know. I’ve been looking at the Elektron stuff, but it’s been hard to know if I want a Model:Cycles or an Octatrack. This is starting to look like a happy middle ground for my needs.

As you may realize, there is an ocean of difference between a Model:Cycles and Octatrack [I own both]. If you’re not familiar with the environment, the M:C will be much more friendly to dig into. However, the Octatrack is a really amazing machine with nearly endless possibilities. It takes some time to learn the workflow and learn how to make it work for you, but the payoff is great. I don’t have the Tracker, but it sure looks nice. I’m looking forward to seeing and hearing what people come up with as they get out into the world. To your comment, I think it would be a good machine for sample-based sequencing with a lot of nice features (and for not a lot of money).

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Truly. I’ve been debating simple groove box vs endless possibilities. I think I’m looking for a device I can compose with without getting too lost in various minutia. Model:Cycles (and Digitakt) feel too groove box. And I fear I’d get lost in the Octatrack. The Tracker seems like it would be easier to focus on composition.

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The thing about the tracker in comparison to the octotrack is that there is much more visibility and transparency to what is happening. I can SEE everything. I know every parameter being hit by every track. That’s extremely valuable to me. But that’s also just the kind of user I am. I like sound design in my Modular, because very little is nested. I prefer non-modal design. And while the racket certainly has menu diving for things like sample loading, instrument parameters and more, I feel as if I have a greater sense of control, even when what I’m designing is meant to be anything BUT controlled.

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This is the beauty of the Tracker to me. It’s a composition tool that keeps things lean. You can get some wild stuff you wouldn’t expect, but that happens more when I am either loading in experimental loops or sequencing external gear (I have it plugged in to BitWig, Poly 2, a norns running Norns Mother Organelle patches and my OP1). I just start dropping midi channel notes and things go bonkers. But, I can load up some one shots, some NI extension pack samples and have a sweet house track no questions asked.

It’s kind of the perfect compositional glue to my current gear bonanza. As well, it has sealed the deal in my selling my OP-Z.

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Oh hell. I may not get one this year. (the list is long) But it will happen by early next year.

i decided to go the octatrack route, but i’m still very intrigued by the tracker and how it would translate to ambient music. the fact that the tracks can’t have individual (independent) lengths was ultimately the reason i went with the OT… and i’m pretty familiar with the elektron way of working and really love their sequencers and probability. … but it doesn’t stop me from being very curious about the tracker and it’s wonderful display and unique (for me) way of working…

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The latest from Polyend. Glad to hear reverb is coming soon.

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This is thrilling news. The lack of a reverb was beginning to be a little bit of a pain point. But! In my spare time, I’ve been learning a little bit of Max/MSP, specifically to give myself some new CV/voices out of the TXo module through crow!

No sound from speakers, since the wife and child were sleeping. :sleeping:

Just exploring an i2c suite as my first steps in to Max, and having 4 extra voices from the TXo from the tracker is freaking sweet. I have a Poly2, but its rad to just have the voices outright!

Once its actually build (I’d say this is v0.2), I’ll post it in the repo.

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My Tracker arrived yesterday. I’ve only just dipped into it for a couple hours, but I’m already head over heels. Pure inspiration in a box. Even at this early stage, I already feel 100% vindicated in selling my Digitakt to fund the Tracker. I’m going to use it way more, and most importantly, make actual songs / finished tracks with it (that’s just me; I’m sure others will prefer DT, or find both useful side-by-side).

Going from sampling my modular to immediately doing cool compositional things with those samples feels lightning quick and painless. I’ve gotten promising results from sampling Furthrrrr Generator as well as Arbhar with its built-in mic. Interested in exploring the MIDI side of things soon via my Poly 2.

I’ve never used a tracker before (aside from a few tentative steps into Renoise which led nowhere), so that might be part of this being so revelatory for me, but I’m taking to it like a fish in water. For decades I thought something was wrong with me because I just never really clicked with the piano roll paradigm and the hundreds of things that have emerged from that, and this feels way better to me. Even something simple like scrolling down rather than scrolling right feels intuitive and cozy to my brain.

I’m powering it off of my Ravpower 60W / 20,000 mah battery bank bought on sale for $40, and its charge indicator wasn’t fazed at all by the time I spent with it. Recommended accessory just to untie yourself from power outlets.

Just as Elektron sequencers became rightfully famous for “parameter locking” features, I suspect the “Fill” section of Tracker is going to emerge as the superstar of the show here. It’s fantastically deep and easy to use.

No surprise to anyone that the biggest limitation is the 2 FX lanes per track. I’m still figuring out how much of a limitation it will end up being for me, but at least so far, it’s an interesting way of working that I’m not opposed to. This sounds like a post hoc excuse (and maybe it is), but in a way the 2 FX lanes limitation makes me go about composing and designing, and then stop myself from digging deeper into one step endlessly at the expense of the track as a whole getting completed (or, forest for the trees, as the saying goes). Switching FX type per step on a single lane is effortless, so that helps at least. It ends up turning into a bit of a puzzle, like Sudoku for music production. At least for now, I’m embracing it and seeing where it leads.

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I’m literally sitting here rediscovering another use for a Sarah Longfield sample included on the SD card and made a trip-hop beat I guess? Wasn’t expecting that, yet here we are!

Was wondering if you’ve dug in to the onboard synthesis system at all? I’ve found this to be the weakest part for me. I haven’t yet made any sounds off of waveforms that have felt truly usable unless I’m doing really dnb or jungle style tracks. Then again, I like really soft sounds… I’m guessing sampling arbhar melodies and sounds in as single hits or small progressions seems like a good call.

I’ll be moving over the next few weeks and when designing my office anew, I believe I will place my rack on the wall, allowing me to have my desktop gear sitting just below it. I’m hoping this gives me the opportunity to pair the Tracker more with the rack. I have a Poly2 and they pair beautifully. I have also been learning max to build a little i2c suite to run the TXo, JF and w/ with the tracker too! I’ll let you know as that gets further.

As a fun aside, you have some pretty synth samples worth playing around with you wouldn’t mind sharing? :wink:

One minor issue I have with the Tracker is that for some reason some sample folders haven’t been loading correctly. Can’t figure out why…

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