#204

aptly put—interesting, but not for me.

i’d have to try it in the room of course, but at first listen i’m not hearing anything so above and beyond the new prophets to justify that utterly laughable price tag. i’ve always felt moog suffered from some amount of gibson syndrome in general, really.

i guess it’s at least something new to see at namm this year, huh? :upside_down_face:

#205

Yup, totally agree with your analysis. Do I want the synth? Nope. Do I want a world where people are spending this kind of money on flagship synths. Yes, totally. I want companies to feel they can push the boat out on their flagships. Look at Arturia’s Matrixbrute. Now imagine what they could come up with if they thought they could sell at scale an 8k synth.

I suppose I’d point toward the fact that for many instruments this isn’t a lot, compare it to a violin, a cello, a piano, etc, this isn’t a lot of cash, and some studios will see it as an investment, but for your average joe, this is a lot of cash. Then again, it’s a lot of synth.

The more, better, diverse instruments in this world, the better!

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#207

Edit sorry this was not intended as a reply to you Simeon…pressed the wrong reply…

3 standalone parts that can utilise 16 voices with cross mod and ring mod galore…two filter types with flexible assignment and routing, looping adsrs, sequencers and arpeggiation per part and mod matrix all recallable with memory. Analog and moog. Would like to see just how free that mod matrix is ie if the sequencer can modulate other parameters and such but ya it seems properly proper to me…many gladly spend that much on their modulars…for that crazy synth experimentalist I dont know what else there is with this feature set. People spend 5k on easels and shared systems this is just a lil more…

A little unsure about the digital effects there as a temptation but I get the point of including it.

#208

Hear hear! I may not be in their target market, but I absolutely admire what they’re up to.

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#209

the one seems to me really just geared toward those with large enough music studios, established composers, producers, spielberg…

the synth sounds really great, but if you told me some of the sounds in all those recordings were made with a DSI synth, i wouldn’t be able to tell the difference, and even if i could it wouldn’t make a difference because all those players are phenomenal. a synth to sit in a nicely lit studio and give $6k-$8k inspiration and tracks, but that is what most all real music studios are - full of insanely expensive instruments that you walk up to and find a sound on. and that’s why studios are cool and fun!! from the perspective of an adverage person it’s just not something you can fit or afford to bring into your home. but i think there are many amazing poly synths out there that are smaller, affordable, and full of inspiration. intention > tools

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#210

Moog is an employee owned company

TIL—that’s wildly cool!

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#211

I noticed the price is about the same as I’ve spent on my modular (not counting beta test hardware). I built that modular over the course of two years, not all at once. It also has a much greater diversity of synthesis and sequencing methods, and everything was personally chosen for sound and feel and inspiration.

Also, my modular isn’t an individual “instrument” but rather a small ensemble. Often the limiting factor (aside from my own minimalism) is the number of inputs I have on my audio interface :slight_smile:

So the Moog One feature set is just not really appealing to me. It’s the same things we have seen in other synths (hardware and software), but polyphonic and expensive.

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#212

outside of the feel/inspiration factor in a studio that @stripes mentioned (which I think is very significant and in that setting pays for itself very quickly), I have to say that the voyager/minimoog basic sounds are more rich than anything I’ve ever gotten out of a vst. I recorded a demo of a song with a friend’s voyager a while back, and one track was just a bass line played using the voyager’s triangle wave. when I got home and tried to replace the sloppy demo parts with tighter playing, I couldn’t get any of my other synths or vsts (including a Moog sub37, which I later found out had different cheaper components) to come anywhere close to how full the bass sounded. it was just a triangle wave - I didn’t think they could possibly be different from one another, but I chased that sound forever until I finally caved and found a voyager to borrow and redo it.

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#213

This is one reason the Grandmother appeals to me. It uses the classic 5U modular circuits, and sounds amazing.

Haven’t listened to any One audio yet. I know it uses “new” circuits. I hope this is a good thing.

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#214

Some of the early patches in the promo vid had some great plucky cross mod sounds that were more complex and harmonically rich than any DSI sounds I ever found ony prophets (12, 8, and OB6). I’m thinking people might be jumping the gun a bit on condemning the price.

#215

The promo video is seriously meh…but it was to be xpected…
I want to listen to the harmonic cacophony its truly capable of!!

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#216

really agree with @madeofoak that an analog moog synth sounds pretty significantly different than software, and when compared to other cheaper analog synths, you can’t really recreate the sound. i feel the same way about buchla, sequential circuits, oberheim, even the junos. i think we can make amazing music with either software or analog, but the sound of analog is undeniably big and warm and impressive… on the moogs especially.

also i really think the price of the one is amazing, it’s just existing in a tier higher than the prosumer, home studio, and working class musician is used to, and it’s huge, which makes it less accessible to those of us with more limited space and resources. and there are things that will get you close to that sound at least in vibe and intention that are a fraction of the price. if i had a big recording studio and the money to fill it up i would probably order one.

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#217

Any chance we could get this off to a Moog One thread? I was enjoying eating my digital Yamaha popcorn over here xD

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#218

can i have some yamaha popcorn? :slight_smile:

also shoutout to the ableton wavetable synth which has been giving me so much joy and tons of tracks lately since i discovered ableton live and learned how to use a computer! who knew how easy it could be :open_mouth:

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#219

Nah, the separate thread was already merged into this one. Don’t worry, the analog/digital pendulum swings back and forth.

I mean, FM is great, but what about WAVETABLES?! :wink:

If you haven’t played with Synthesis Technologies’ Waveedit, you should. Highly recommended!
http://synthtech.com/waveedit/

EDIT: ha, just noticed @stripes mentioned wavetables immediately before I did. Reveals that I sometimes read too fast, but also that great minds think alike! :wink:

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#220

Agreed, it is a very cool synth. Messing around with the unison modes are especially cool for making warbly and organic sounding stuff, but they start taxing CPU pretty quick.

I really enjoy using the ableton arpeggiator modulated by max for live LFOs to make generative things with various polysynths.

The free max for live synths by Katsuhiro Chiba are also really cool and worth checking out (was pasting the link and saw that you had mentioned them before @steveoath–agreed they are awesome!)

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#221

It is really dicey to over analyze what other people spend their money on, too!

I can’t imagine spending $6-8k on a synth, but on the same token, many folks on this forum have that much invested in their Monome+modular gear or an Easel/MN system, as @mystasea mentioned.

Also, the average per-year cost of car ownership is something like $9k, so in a sense, many people with a car could switch to bike/walk/transit and then own a lifetime supersynth in a year or two…this is a tangent, but I guess I just mean that money is weird and thinking too much about “who could afford this?!” is v complex, especially when considering that some people (on this forum and in this thread) make part/all of their financial living from these tools.

Some microphones and preamps are as expensive as this entire synth but are much simpler devices and no one seems really surprised by that!

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#222

I feel like the response to the price, as originally noted, is mostly about the current market, and less “Who can afford such things!?” We’re in a golden age of very very affordable music gear that is very very good. The notion @barnjazz was getting at about being able to make the Moog One work in this climate is a positive step. Investment in premium tech makes it’s way down into more affordable gear in time anyway, so it mostly speaks to a healthy ecosystem.

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#223

UK prices starting to emerge…

#224

Do you have anything of this nature recorded? Sounds awesome.

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