I have both. Skip the minirig mini!

@rknLA sorry, was on my phone earlier, didn’t have time to type properly and then realized i could be a bit more enlightening for the sake of anyone else reading too… i know i would appreciate reading a deeper response myself if i was wondering about the difference between the mini and the 3.

the mini is small for sure! and the sound is ok. i mean for its size the sound is probably the best out of anything in the world. its really good for sure. but compared to the 3, there’s just no contest. the 3 is literally too loud for me to turn up all the way and sit next to it. and for the difference in size, the mini vs. the 3, its really not worth the tradeoff in sound vs. size. the 3 is really small compared to all the other speakers to start with. and its just so much more powerful than the mini. honestly i thought i’d get the mini because the smaller size would mean i would just throw it in my bag that much more and not think about it. but in the end i use the 3 all the time just because of the power.

2 Likes

Yeah, that’s totally possible. My personal preference has for a long time now been to relatively low volume levels (even despite some self-inflicted tinnitus).

Never tried a Minirig but I can totally believe that an A1 could be quiet in comparison, and I probably would not recommend one for anything other than listening in a relatively distraction-less environment.

(On a separate note, I do have affinity to the Minirig’s styling; it triggers a warm glow of excitement for the British audio equipment of my childhood)

1 Like

This is super helpful, thanks.

I suppose I’m also curious about pros/cons in the context of the subwoofer… Looking at the measurements, the Minirig 3 does seem a bit bigger than I’d prefer (though I realize bigger means better bass).

I do wonder if the Minirig Mini + a Minirig Subwoofer would alleviate the bass deficiency of the smaller one, or if I’d prefer to have the Minirig 3 + Woofer, so that if I take the smaller speaker alone, that it still has better low-end response… hmmm

personally i never ever use the minirig sub, and all my friends i know who also have the minirig sub also never use theirs. i much prefer to just have another minirig in place of the sub, a pair of the normal ones is just really nice. but again, that’s just me, could be the type of music i generally play through it or how my hearing works.

This past week I went out and purchased the Beoplay A1, the minirig 3, and the minirig mini. My hope was to buy a little line-in speaker I could use with my portable music making setup (began to feel a bit claustrophobic listening to things exclusively in headphones.) For my needs, I am only interested in wired inputs, so all my tested were done using the aux inputs. (I also really hate bluetooth. So much so, that I even contacted customer support for both companies seeing if there were ways to mod the speakers to physically bypass the microcontroller bits. props to them for putting up with me.)

Ended up returning all but the mini.

Here are my shallow biased thoughts, to be taken with a grain of salt:

Beoplay A1:

This was my first choice, as the recommendations here were glowing and the design looked great. Gotta say, I was disappointed. There was a distinct buzz happening when I plugged in my music player into it for some songs. It didn’t sound blown, so I sent some sines through it. Frequencies between 30-200hz caused some kind of buzzing. Sort of reminded me of a someone trying to sing lower than their vocal range? Not sure if it was a defect or not. At this point I was happy enough to live with this because my music player could EQ some of the low end and make the buzzing go away. I’d be curious if any other beoplay a1 users have experienced anything similar.

I then discovered the annoying gate that turns on after about 30 second of silence. And then I discovered that the device will sometimes shut off after 15 minutes of inactivity. I got in touch with them about this, and they gave me this reply:

The fact that the A1 shuts off automatically after 15 minutes while playing music through the line-in connection is intended by design. The line-in connection is not perceived as ‘music’ as the A1 was meant as a Bluetooth player only, however, at the time of manufacturing the line-in connection was still used widely, therefore, it was implemented as a " workaround " but the A1 is meant to be used as a Bluetooth speaker.

On update 5.3.0, after receiving feedback from users, we have added a way to circumvent the standby function. To do so you must plug in the A1 to the charger, as this will prevent it from going into standby.

So, aux input was kind of hacked in there I guess? I really do appreciate the transparency of the company, but I couldn’t justify paying a premium for a speaker where wired input was an afterthought. It was too bad. I liked the sound of this one. It had a surprising (yet tasteful) amount of low end.

Minirig 3:

I didn’t spend much time on this one, so I can’t say much/anything too useful about this one. I didn’t even turn it on. I can’t say anything about the sound of it, though I’m sure it sounded great.

I (the genius who didn’t read any manuals at this point) got a little freaked out that there wasn’t a physical volume knob, and just assumed that you needed to download an app to control it (the pretty pictures on the description page made it seem that way), and this made it an immediate dealbreaker for me. This isn’t actually true. You can use the speaker just fine without needing to download an app. I am an idiot.

The form factor of the speaker was a bit larger than I expected, and a bit too tall. This was the second reason why I returned it. I do not have a lot of room for packing, so smaller things are better in my case.

Minirig mini:

This one was the winner, for me at least. Firstly, the mini has a great form factor. Fits nicely in the palm of my hand. It also has a nice aluminum exterior which the minirig 3 did not have. I opted for the brushed aluminum. Like the minirig 3, the build feels very rugged. No case for the mini (you can’t even buy it separately), but I have a sock.

Aux input, so far, has been working flawlessly. You need to plug in the speaker into one of the two inputs (high or low gain, not sure what the technical difference is), and the thing automatically turns on. It has a decent amount of sound on this thing, and can certainly fill up a room.

I also contacted the minirig customer support. Considering the ridiculous question I was asking, I actually learned a fair bit. Both minirigs both process audio through a microcontroller, which was surprising to me. They also told me that bypassing the microcontroller would make the audio “not sound very good”. So this is making me think that they are actually throwing some DSP at it to make it sound better (not just hard limiting). What that is who knows? My last email were mostly questions trying to get more technical information (round trip latency, sampling rate, block size, fixed/floating-point, etc). I was already asking some pretty wacky questions, so I doubt I will be hearing back from them. If they do get back to me with more tech specs on the internal microcontroller, I will post an update.

3 Likes

Thanks for the overview.

I just jumped off on the Minirig 3, but am still wondering if I’d be content with just the mini. Would have loved to hear another take on sound quality differences.

That they do some DSP in the speaker is something I expect entirely, given the size of the driver and the shape of it… at least some EQ to compensate for the enclosure, possibly even some multi-band compression to do the same at high volumes.

I’ll report back once I receive the speaker and give it a good listen.

1 Like

The sub is funny for sure, but it’s not bad. It can overpower at medium and low levels. It’s great for a loud party though :slight_smile:

1 Like

Never noticed a buzz on my A1 (and normally that sort of behaviour drives me crazy – yes, I’m the one compulsively switching off the fluorescent-tube lighting). Will try to replicate and report back.

1 Like

Awesome. Thanks! Really curious to know if it was just the speaker or not.

I played sine tones at 40hz, 60hz, and 120hz. Buzzing happened in all of those.

As for songs, the biggest buzzing culprit was a Roomful of Teeth song:

The bass singing comes in around 2 minutes, and around there was usually where the buzzing got really bad. Something about how this particular track was mixed/mastered maybe? I played lots of other bass heavy music like Spor and Deadmau5 and they sounded fine.

All of this was via the aux in port. Did not try bluetooth. Speaker was set to be reasonably loud, but I don’t think it was at max.

I also bought the B&O but sent it back cause of their stupid design of having it shut off after 15 minutes when the line in was active. How stupid can a company be to do this. Fail…

1 Like

I’m so surprised to see you guys talking about this line out issue! I had a Beoplay A1, for 12 months, then tried the line out and experienced the cut out, well I thought it was a fault. I messaged B&O customer service, who definitely didn’t tell me it was by design - they said it must have been faulty. So I went back to the department store I purchased it from, they had provided an extra 1 year warranty and swapped it for a brand new boxed A1.

I couldn’t believe my luck! So I sold it and bought two Minirig 3’s.

4 Likes

i wanted to report back that i just received my stuff and things mk2.5 and mk4.5…

they are literally the loudest things i have heard in my life! i could get them both up to around 10% volume in my apartment before not being able to take it anymore with my ears. from what i have heard so far the sound quality is really good too- they have internal processing to limit clipping and distortion and from what i tried playing on them it worked perfectly.

for sure the mk2.5 is much larger than my minirig 3. and i also got the extra speaker to go along with the main unit of the mk2.5. but even just using the main unit with out the other speaker, its of course not even close in terms of sound quality and volume. there’s not a chance i could use my minirig 3 outside, even for personal monitoring or rehearsal for a performance. the stuff and things could easily be used for an outdoor performance, and even without the extra speaker for the type of stuff i do.

the mk4.5 clearly has better sound quality than the mk2.5 but its also bigger- not quite twice the size but still a consideration. it sounded so good!!! i’m totally impressed with both of these products and i’m pretty obsessive about trying to find the best size to sound quality ratio over the years. that both of these speakers are battery powered is totally crazy for the sound you get (and their size)!!!

p.s.- ah yes, i should say, that upon receiving the package and opening it up, i have to admit was not too impressed. i think the guy making them just builds them in his garage and the final result looks like you think they would from that kind of process. don’t get me wrong, they are well made, but also clearly homemade. where as the minirig is actually built pretty slick compared to these i think. so at first i was a bit scared at the purchase because these speakers are very very expensive. but once i turned them on, they are easily the best things i’ve heard in my life, i was shocked!

5 Likes

I wound up purchasing the Minirig 3, and it’s a little bit bulkier than I would have hoped for, but so far, the sound quality and volume are really doing a good job to meet my needs.

I have noticed that it does get a bit distorted at higher volumes, but in most cases, I don’t really need to crank it that high to get to a spot I’m content with.

1 Like

yeah, the mk2.5 dwarfs the MR3 in size. so i’m definitely still a huge fan of MR’s in general for smallest form factor that’s generally worth using, especially for indoor use. but this mk2.5 will finally enable me to do outdoor music without renting something site specific for each place i go!

3 Likes

An order of idea on the price ? Couldn’t find it on their website as it’s on comission / contact only. Just mentally bookmarking the existence of this thing for very possible later use cases.

1 Like

you could say i paid roughly £1000 for the mk4.5 and £700 for the mk2.5 but there’s lots of extra options and add-ons which will raise or lower the price accordingly.

1 Like

Thank you very much ! Great to know and I’ll keep that in a corner of my brain (so many fucking corners there at some point)

2 Likes

Just found this thread. Did a quick search but I couldn’t find what speakers people are using for mobile setup. I’m hoping to find something that will work for my Modular and Norns, so preferably stereo.

update
Well, apparently there’s a whole thread on that. Portable speaker recommendations

I also have this IKEA Eneby and I am satisfied.
Good battery and nice sound overall.
https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/eneby-bluetooth-speaker-black-90357632/

2 Likes

I’m sure you know but just in case. You can run the Minirig 3 in high gain and low gain mode, bright LED and dimmer LED. In high gain the maximum volume is louder but the sound quality is worse.

I love the sound quality of them but the iOS app is absolutely abysmal and 9 times out of 10 doesn’t work the way it’s intended. Pairing two of the speakers for stereo sounds wonderful when they connect but again that is hit and miss.

2 Likes