tteejj
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Speaking as one person who uses Avid Media Composer, FCPX, DaVinci, and Premiere as my main source of income, I’m more than happy to pay on a month-to-month basis for FCP on the iPad.
The one-time payment for FCPX was amazing and has more than paid for itself, but with that said I have no intention to use FCP for iPad as a primary NLE so being able to pay 5$ for a month of use in the field if I need is amazing.
I think the release is very hype.
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From the perspective of someone condemned to live in rent for the rest of his life, I dislike the idea of having to rent even a piece of software. Pay to own, without the owning part, is just… no.
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naxuu
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I’ve been radicalized into thinking the only fair and consumer-friendly way to implement a subscription on software like this (without actually being rent-to-own) is with auto-canceling subscriptions. If you don’t open Logic Pro on iPad even once during a month, you don’t get charged for that month and your subscription is paused. If you then open the software in the subsequent month, your subscription resumes. Some quotes from that link:
It might leave money on the table, but you have to admit that it’s money you’re not truly earning.
I don’t doubt that you have a million ways to rationalize continuing to take a customer’s money when all evidence suggests that it’s tantamount to a laziness tax. But search your feelings — you know it to be true!
I mean the way the Apple subscription is implemented, it’s basically preying on the fact that the majority of people are going to subscribe because even though they’re not serious about music production or film editing, they “want the very best” for the rare times they do want to muck around with it, or will subscribe for their kid who subsequently loses interest in a few months, etc. We’re talking about the whole broad Apple userbase being the target audience here, not just in-the-weeds production and electronic music heads. So the serious, frequent users will be the minority. Even a lot of people who ARE serious music makers earnest about using Logic Pro on iPad will almost surely be paying for months where they got zero use. So their model is banking on people paying for software that they aren’t using. It’s similar to gyms where 67% of gym memberships go entirely unused and the entire business model is premised on people not going.
The thing is that Logic Pro actually is a great product people will rightfully be excited about, they seem to have great multi-touch additions for this iPad version, and they shouldn’t need to pull such cynical stuff. They would do quite well just by putting out an excellent product they believe in the value of, and charging a fair price for it. As is, their model suggests that they have an excellent product that they don’t believe will do well enough on its own without doing some underhanded stuff like charging people ambient low-level fees they forget about for months or years.
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mxml
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I’m going to disagree, almost for the sake of disagreeing.
First, the only unfairness in subscription models comes through false advertising. Generally either (a) that it is supposed to be a subscription that you can opt out of any time, but so many barriers are put to withdrawing your subscription that you give up or (b) you subscribe to one thing and then they start pulling features as a bait and switch.
If you have a gym membership, then if they make it impossible to cancel or remove the gym’s swimming pool without notice or stop you coming to the gym on a Tuesday then that’s a problem. But just because the gym is factoring into its pricing that many members won’t make much use of their membership doesn’t make it ‘unfair’. Many people pay full-price for software and never really use it or buy it as part of a bundle (like Office) and then only use one or two apps.
I’d go a step further and say that a subscription model by a reputable seller, like Apple, is actually better for most people – they get to try the software and then if they decide it’s not for them after a couple of months, have only spent a few dollars, rather than hundreds. Yes, it goes against some people liking the surety of ‘owning’ a product, but even there and in the realm of computing you can’t really own anything with surety for more than a few years – hardware and software can both become quickly obsolescent or support will be pulled often without the seller being able to do anything about it (it can rely on up-chain systems or an OS that obsolesces that they don’t control).
Finally, from an R&D perspective and subscriptions are perhaps better too – they can provide that steady income that allows investment in upgrading products. If makers just receive the sugar hit from initial sales then there can be a lack of incentive or even funding for continuing to provide support and the next iteration of products.
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I learned more about the Vidal piano-feel keyboard controller. It will output Hi-Res MIDI if desired. Velocity mapping can be adjusted on-the-fly (while playing), along with other settings, with their app and saved to the on-board memory. The piano action is a cool design: instead of swinging counterweights to mimic the feel of piano hammers (as in most digital pianos), each key has a spring, weight and magnet positioned under the key that can be adjusted to give the dynamic change in resistance of keystroke that you feel as you press a grand piano key. The full-length keys pivot on a pin rail with felt bushings (piano parts). One of the designers is a classical pianist and piano rebuilder who is keen to recreate a piano feel that will satisfy experienced players of acoustic pianos. The action can also be adjusted for those who prefer lighter more synth-like action. They now show options for 61-, 73- and 88-key versions. …Can’t wait until these become available to try!
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fyoosh
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I’m throwing in the guess of an updated Mysteron.
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This ticks every box I would want in a creative effects rack unit (though I’d prefer a Buchla 285 style modulator). The price is a bit eye watering but it looks stunning.
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This is point in favour I’ve heard for subscription models but at least anecdotally it doesn’t seem to happen much. It seems like the software most likely to move to subscription is mature products that don’t have much room for development and so must depend on subscriptions to make money rather than being able to sell a substantially improved upgrade to a new version. An example is Microsoft Word, where I (and I imagine most people) rarely use a feature that has been implemented in the last 15 years. I haven’t seen any company advertise how much of my monthly fee will go into development and most products offering subscriptions are those least in need of development in any case.
Logic itself is a mature product and any compatibility/obsolescence issues that arise are the direct responsibility of the company that makes it (Apple/MacOS).
(edit to add that I definitely have a bias against subscriptions, but have no issue where rent-to-own is offered, or where subscription is offered in addition to full purchases e.g. like Max/MSP))
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their latest instagram video made it seem like an “updated” telharmonic. but maybe it’s a couple of things? 
ciso
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It is quite obviously a new T-shirt.
Actually…I’m going to throw out an idea here for the new MN module based on the clues…I’m sure someone has thought of this already though.
Maybe a spectral resynthesis module which can morph (focus) between two (A + B) recordings with feedback to allow for reverb like sounds (reflections, as in the first video where one side was a reflection of the other)
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Basil | Bastl Instruments Is this new?
(I saw the Divkid post about pizza needed Basil. Changed the url and voila)
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I’m not willing to brick my Pizza to see if the firmware is interchangeable between modules. But if it is… wow.
Update: I skipped over this part:
- based on the Bastl Pizza HW platform (different FW and front panel)
Should I do it?!
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For science! 
(you probably shouldn’t)
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I’ve made worse decisions tbh. But yeah, I’m going to hold off until it’s confirmed!
It’d be very interesting if Bastl is indeed using the Pizza hardware as a platform for interchangeable firmwares, like the Noise Engineering Versio or Legio lines.
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Pizza with different ingredients 
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Great URL sleuthing by the way. I can’t believe everything’s up there - even the full manual and sound examples. I’m digging the weird time and stereo effects.
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Excellent sleuthing skills , 20 characters of.
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kim
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Pizza is a platform … it all makes sense now …
Looks good! Wonder which other toppings the future might hold …
Seriously, good find!
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Not exactly the same, but they already did this with the Kastle/Kastle Drum.
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I guess since we’re out of Thyme we might as well reach for the Basil.
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