Quitting MW/Reddit/FB/Social Media


#371

Ha! It’s funny to think back to that kind of thing having currency of some sort. In those days I was involved in all the scratching forums with my main general music posting being on label forums (Ninja Tune, Mo’Wax, Def Jux, Ozone Entertainment) or artist sites (Controller7 was basically the Bully Records forum). I remember when the Warp forum closed. The notion of that being significant seemed odd at the time, but it was.

I remember when it started to dawn on people that a stupendously high post count was as much a condemnation of a life mis-spent as a signifier of perceived hierarchy.


#372

All i can say abt this is quoting geoff barrow ‚FOR WHEN, MO‘WAX THE MUSICAL?‘ funny/depressing at the same time, no?


#373

The name is both a consequence of, and an indicator of, the cultural mindset behind the site. It is what a certain infamous TV celebrity / real estate con man called “locker-room talk”, not just vulgar but intentionally exclusionary. My memory of locker rooms is one of foul-smelling, awkward, tense places that made me hate gym class worse than I already did.

A good point. While several module brands maintain some presence there, as do some YouTubers, in a lot of cases it seems reluctant or minimal – and prominent artists in the community are staying away in droves.


#375

Ha! There’s an extent to which I’m a bit embarrassed at how much I dug that label at the time. In retrospect I bought a lot of records with average music but great sleeves. Fortunately the resale value was good on most of them!


#376

Just in case anyone needed more evidence


#377

You’re right.

Mike has this stupid idea that censoring political speech somehow allows the site to work better. He is so fucking right wing and bubbled up as to not realize that that is the most conservative stance you could ever hold and that status-quo bias is a political position of immense proportions.

I’ve ranted a few times about the name and how it would be fairly simple of mike to lock down the site, and relaunch under a less misogynistic name. It would also allow him to implement a proper forum back-end instead of that trash system from 1995. He refuses to, even though I’m sure you could muster up 10 volunteers that would make doing all of that a breeze.

I try to just lurk these days. B/S/T is good there; but engaging people who think that being apolitical has ever been a possibility while under gag rule is not much different than talking about synths with my beagle.


#378

I avoid MW altogether because, while I may be comfortable with just “lurking there”, my ability to lurk is indicative of the privilege I have as someone who is a cisgendered white male. I am sure many will disagree with this, but the reality is that I find MW absurd because of how it alienates people in the community, and how abusive users and moderators are in their steadfast hold on not censoring blatant misogyny and “off color jokes”, among other things. However, because of who I am and my inherent privilege, I don’t feel personally attacked by attitudes there (though I must say that as a human, I am disturbed by the adherence to a position that is literally hurting people and keeping them marginalized in the greater community). I think the problem is that folks cannot seem to imagine that someone else may find the attitudes there incredibly hurtful and unsafe, and that because they cannot imagine this, anyone who disagrees is wrong and should pipe down.

Also, I’ve just got to say for my own catharsis, MW is literally one of the worst names the second being Gears****. I can’t even bring myself to type their names.


#379

Anecdotally, I just posted on MW in one of the rare circumstances that I take a look at the site and decide it would be worth saying anything. I only ever read the Serge/Buchla forum occasionally for technique and DIY tips. I saw someone asking about the Serge jack colour scheme, so I posted what I thought was a kind and helpful reply. Some other member immediately replied to my post in an angry tone and continued to do so later in the thread, for no reason that I can imagine. So I’m done now, probably won’t even go back there at all unless a search takes me there as the only source of info on something. Yech, good riddance.


#380

Getting banned–IP address banned–from Muffs was a real blessing and has saved me a lot of irritation over the years. I highly recommend it to everyone: all you have to do is point out the abusive behavior of the forum owner (back when he used to be on the forum) and the conduct of some of the less ethical vendors.

I am too much of a gentleman to publish the unhinged emails I got from Mike. It certainly makes me appreciate forums like this one. :slight_smile:


#381

I think Apple was certainly in the right here. Facebook broke the rules. However, we as customers should be alarmed as well by what Apple did. Apple controls how you use your phone and they control the code that runs on it. This incident enforces that idea.

You don’t own your iPhone, you rent it. That is something I just can’t abide.

Fortunately there are companies doing something about that, and standing up for our digital rights.

Also for anyone looking to ditch FB, the federation is an excellent solution. Mastodon, Plemora, etc. are all fantastic platforms that allow you to control all aspects of your data, and even self host it.

As for MW, while I can agree with most of the sentiment here about the toxicity of that place let’s all just remember that it is a privately owned site (despite the crowd funding) and they are legally allowed to moderate it however they please. You don’t want that right infringed on. Just don’t patron there, that is the best solution that ensures your freedoms aren’t affected either. Welcome to a free society. You can’t have the good without having to deal with the bad.


#382

I’m still participating in MW, and on KvR. I’m playing whack-a-mole with the ignore button on some users and with uBlock on some profile photos. I’m doing slightly, gradually better at not responding to garbage fire threads and trollish users, but sometimes I fail. I need to remember not to wade into the sewer just to wipe a smudge off the wall :laughing:

Distancing myself from Facebook wasn’t as hard as I thought, really. I still occasionally get an urge to complain about something, comment on the weather, or share a news link in that low-value social media sort of way – but it passes.

That makes me suspect I could drop off MW just by logging out and breaking the basic habit. With NAMM for instance, I don’t think I would have missed any important announcements. If I remember right, it’s still searchable without logging in, and I’d still get (somewhat delayed) notifications if someone wants to buy my stuff in B/S/T. I’ll have to think about this.


#383

Having kids pretty much made me not want social media in my life. I had deleted my FB account a couple of times; 1) Once because I was young and tired of it all 2) Another time because I was becoming a classroom teacher and didn’t want anything to bite me in the end 3) Finally, I deleted it a third time because I just wasn’t using it and felt it was weird to be eavesdropping on all these people I no longer talk to.

A few months ago I deleted Instagram, and that’s been the final one for me. Now it’s just forums/reddit and email…I would like to get back onto Instagram to document my music making stuff, but I’m in no hurry.

I’ll do a quick PROS / CONS list here

PROS

  1. Less distractions
  2. No awkward family dynamic when I have to view weird political posts that I strongly disagree with.
  3. No awkward friend dynamic when I have to view weird antivax posts that I strongly disagree with.
  4. I no longer get that urge to check my silly ass stream.
  5. I don’t have to be bothered with what’s happening in other people’s lives (thus allowing more focus on my own / those around me).
  6. I’m no longer part of Facebook’s ecosystem, and that feels good.

CONS

  1. I do miss some of the music communities I was part of on FB, though they weren’t that busy.
  2. Losing the ability to connect with old friends/family, but again, would I even if I had the chance?

So that’s that, it’s been a breath of fresh air and has offered a lot opportunity to focus on the things I care more about.

@Starthief what threads do you follow on either Muff or KvR?


#384

These are my biggest reasons for staying on FB. But, I agree with your points on both. Time to rethink FB once again.

I do enjoy Instagram (for now). A lot of creative people showing snippets of their work keeps me coming back. Although, I am getting tired of the ads displaying every 4 posts.


#385

On MW I check the Eurorack Modules section for whatever threads get my attention, and General Modular and General Gear a bit less frequently.

On KvR mostly I skim the Instruments and Effects sections to see if there’s something new, and the Hardware section. I glance over “Everything Else (Music Releated)” but I’m trying to get involved with it less


#386