I saw people identifying specific examples of toxic behavior. If we don’t point out examples, we’re not arguing based on evidence, so I don’t know what else could have been said. The fact there are still people who aren’t able to see the highly toxic atmosphere of MW just underscores the need for evidence-based posts. But if there are more tactful ways to handle this without making it all seem like a “dis”, please suggest them!
Anyway, I’m sorry that these discussions are merely saddening to you, rather than opportunities to learn and broaden your own perspective.
What’s saddening to me, however, is never being able to share my music through so-called “normal” channels because of deep-seated connections to other communities (via collaborations or otherwise) which lead to the inevitable attacks, and the inevitable silence and lack of support.
What’s saddening is living a life of underground as in railroad, not underground as in cool, with closed communities, secret handshakes, and don’t talk about fight club. To know that what you do really may never see the light, that it will persist only in the realm of the never-was, the absent realm of the future that did not take place.
What’s saddening is well-meaning people wanting to separate the work from the person, as if something like that would ever be possible.
What’s saddening is well-meaning people who should know better, complaining that there are no subcultures today. This attitude not only denies our existence, it mocks the very idea of subculture, as if it were simply being “cool”, a happy situation, rather than a simple matter of survival. It trivializes the real reasons things actually remain underground.
What’s saddening is always having to start from zero when explaining these things, always lacking the kind of tacit understanding that inheres in the very concept of community.
I’m happy you don’t face any of this, and that you’ve found friends and a supportive community. But I do hope you’ll someday find compassion for those who do face these challenges, those who historically have made so much of this music and technology possible. Sure, you weren’t there for them in the 1970’s. You enjoy the fruits but forget who planted the seeds. This pattern is well known and replicates in all instances of gentrification whether physical, intellectual or otherwise. But why not be there for us today? We ain’t “cool”, we’re just like you in fact… we just want to move forward a bit more openly, with fewer challenges and a lot less pain.