Hey no harm no foul. I’ve read enough of your posts to understand that you are a caring person and I agree that worshiping an artist is not the choice I would make at this stage of my life.
But I can’t judge other folks negatively for making that choice.
People have different opinions and are free to voice that opinion, so it follows that one persons yum is another persons yuck. The trick is to not take offense if someone disagrees with your opinion and be open to change.
I don’t think that Starthief was trying to yuck radiohead fans yum, just offering up opinion subject to healthy debate. Which there is in this thread, as I don’t see the fighting as someone alluded to.
With that said, There is no doubt that fan behavior can be taken to the extreme, but so can a lot of human behavior including far to many humans breeding, and jet fuel addiction.
the older i get the more i couldn’t care less if someone doesn’t like something (a band, a piece of art, etc) because disliking things (usually) isn’t interesting. it only limits potential. a reason for someone to like something they might otherwise have avoided, on the other hand, is very interesting. finding new work to enjoy and ways to access art that i otherwise wouldn’t have been touched by is something i’m very grateful to the members of this forum for.
also radiohead is a band i like very much, and i’m glad to have an officially sanctioned way to listen to these recordings.
I couldn’t agree more. Enthusiasm is enriching, even if it’s just the energy of someone experiencing that excitement. I personally find it contagious, I don’t even need to share their tastes to enjoy their excitement. Being cynical or tearing things down is facile, depleting, gets people nowhere… I avoid it at all costs.
Good on Radiohead who I adore for doing this, the act alone of donating the proceeds to Extinction Rebellion is fantastic.
Being cynical is a good thing sometimes. It’s why you have realism or certain reactionary art movements or checks and balances in government.
That said, I think an embracing sentiment is good when it comes to things like climate change or a teenager listening to music for the first time, or when an adult wants to be open to new experiences, for example.
While disliking things and sniping criticism can limit potential, it can also sets one’s views against others and helps one define oneself and one’s own tastes. François Truffaut was a film critic. Would he have been as good of a filmmaker if not?
So people are complex, negative thoughts are not always a bad thing.
I agree. Its called critical thinking and leads to social change for the betterment of humankind and other lifeforms that inhabit this wonderous planet.
My first role model influence in this regard was my parents helping (through their support of the civil rights movement) to yuck the “status quo yum” when they participated in the march on Washington in 1963.
I’m guessing that early influence was how I became a volunteer specialist in yucking other peoples yum as a public land watchdog.
There are several Commercial abusers of public land in my local area who believe my actions constitute negativity.
Like the local helicopter ski operation that was cutting down White Bark Pine trees, a federally listed sensitive species, in order to create unauthorized Landing zones in an otherwise pristine Mountain environment worthy of wilderness protection. I seemed to have tucked their yum and proud of it, although it was not without a personal cost.
I always say one person’s negativity is another person’s positivity.
I hope that Spirit of critical thinking and willingness to take substitutive action is not being compromised in an effort just to get along.
In this instance a critical thinker that cared about this issue (I don’t) would question whether or not this Radiohead incident was contrived to be a good public relations tactic.
A critical thinker who cared would also want to calculate the carbon footprint of Radiohead to determine if there is hypocrisy in the donation.
Such statements would undoubtedly draw the wrath of Radiohead fans so many would just choose to get along in a world the seems to value social media “likes”
Interesting all that. I don’t know the answer, but I question whether the actual effect (forgetting intent) can be measured at all? I was on the London Underground today and notices two extinction rebellion adverts - that’s pretty odd to see an activist group with content there. Made me wonder how many adverts they will be able to buy with Radiohead money, and what effect that will have…
Well, that is an old report and Radiohead already totally revamped their touring practices after they read it. They now keep two sets of touring gear, one in North America and one in Europe, so they don’t have to ship any gear. They travel by road whenever possible, have switched to LED’s for their light shows, which are powered with rechargeable batteries, and they choose venues based on how accessible they are by public transport.
They also do extra encores at shows when there’s a good enough ratio of attendees to cars in the parking lot.
first of all thank you for your activism, i’m grateful for your work. that said, i think this definition of critical thinking is somewhat limiting.
to me, these examples could just as easily be described as “conspiratorial thinking”. critical thinking, in my view, requires a willingness to examine context surrounding an issue, rather than simply reacting to an idea that has been presented. like you, i also don’t have any specific attachment to the issue of radiohead’s carbon footprint, so i googled it and came to this series of statements from wikipedia (editing for length):
Yorke is an activist on behalf of human rights, environmentalist, fair trade and anti-war causes.
In 1999, Yorke travelled to the G8 summit to support the Jubilee 2000 movement calling for cancellation of third-world debt. In a 2003 Guardian article criticising the World Trade Organization, Yorke wrote: “The west is creating an extremely dangerous economic, environmental and humanitarian timebomb. We are living beyond our means.”
On 1 May 2006, Yorke and Jonny Greenwood headlined the Big Ask Live, a benefit concert in aid of Friends of the Earth’s campaign to persuade the government to enact a new law on climate change.
In 2008, Radiohead commissioned a study to reduce the carbon expended on tour; based on the study, they chose to play at venues supported by public transport, made deals with trucking companies to reduce emissions, used new low-energy LED lighting and encouraged festivals to offer reusable plastics.
In 2009, Yorke performed via Skype at the premier of the environmentalist documentary The Age of Stupid.
In 2010, he performed a benefit concert at the Cambridge Corn Exchange for the British Green party, and supported the 10:10 campaign for climate change mitigation. In 2011, he joined the maiden voyage of Rainbow Warrior III, a yacht used by Greenpeace to monitor damage to the environment.
Yorke was one of several celebrities who endorsed the parliamentary candidacy of the Green party’s Caroline Lucas at the United Kingdom 2015 general election. In December 2015, he performed during the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Paris at a benefit concert in aid of 350.org, an environmental organisation raising awareness about climate change. His performance and others from the event were released on the Pathway to Paris live album in July 2016. He contributed a new electronic track, “Hands Off the Antarctic”, for use in a 2018 Greenpeace campaign.
Yorke is vegetarian and has criticised the meat industry. In a 2005 film for the animal rights foundation Animal Aid, he said: “Society deems it necessary to create this level of suffering in order for [people] to eat food that they don’t need … you should at least be aware of what you’re doing rather than assuming that that’s your right as a human being to do it.”
now, i could look at this information in many ways. i could choose to believe that, like all of the above information, donating the proceeds of the demos to an environmental group is just another cyncial branding exercise. i could choose to believe that thom yorke is entertainment’s foremost climate activist. i could spend the next 4 hours examining the primary source documents and attempting to evaluate them on their merits. and so on.
but none of that would affect the material reality, though, which is that 100 companies are responsible for 71% of all carbon emissions, and without a fundamental restructuring of our society, on a scale unparalleled in recorded history, the choices of individual actors in a marketplace (even really, really famous ones) are at best a side show to the main stage event, which will either be the wholesale elimination of shell oil, bp, exxon, et all, or a mass extinction event that disproportionately affects those most vulnerable.
i am not sure how to wrap this up. i guess, to me, critical thinking must be viewing the world holistically and not simply cynically, even though there can be substantial overlap.
and since this is nominally supposed to be about the OK computer demos, i have another unrelated contrarian take for the thread: cladestino by manu chao is the definitive 90s release, not OK computer. if kid a had come out in the 90s maybe there could be some argument, but no.
Favorite bit in these discs so far is 14:20 into MD116. A poorly recorded acoustic solo thing that you can tell turned into Life in a Glass House, but with entirely different lyrics and it sounds great. Has almost an Elliott Smith vibe at the beginning.
Thanks to the person who posted the Radiohead carbon footprint report.
It was interesting that Radiohead hired a company to analyze their carbon footprint and took action to mitigate that footprint. That report addressed the questions that I presented, so it seems those questions were valid and not in the realm of irrational beliefs which are what conspiracy theories are based upon.
"Overall, a tendency for analytical thinking did provide consistent protection against conspiratorial thinking and other irrational beliefs, but only if it was accompanied by a belief in the value of critical thinking. "
This is OT, but since it’s a Radiohead-centric thread I thought it was the best place for it.
I saw that Mark Hoppus from Blink-182 is selling a modular system extremely similar to the one Jonny’s long used for “Idioteque”. Analog Systems 8000 Modular Owned By Mark Hoppus Of blink-182
I just really get a kick out of the mental image of him watching that 2000 live SNL performance and going “this is it, guys - the thing that will finally make critics take our music seriously!”. And then after a few sessions completely derailed by atonal squawks, someone makes a fart joke and they all agree to stay the course.