gogurt
2877
I can’t see since the R6 board is underneath another board in my panel (and I’m wary of messing up Charlie’s work 
), but I’ve put the question to him!
Also, someone on the Serge discord just demonstrated this exact thing with the Prism Phaser instead of the Ring Mod, so I’m wondering if it’s just some kind of general interference thing that has nothing to do with the actual module 
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Mostly I just cut the NTO down to what you couldn’t otherwise patch, I’ve always got plenty of comparators for pulse duty:
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Ooo! Do you mind linking to said discord server?
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sns
2880
Here it is (I think the link is valid 7 days)
@Timmoneer Great job, nice & compact with the useful waveshaper, love the 106.5 name.
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gogurt
2881
kid has the flu 
might as well find some happy accidents on the serge in the precious few hours he’s asleep.
fairly basic patch:
- VCM middle out → VCM bottom in 1
- VCM bottom out 1 → VCFQ in 1
- VCFQ notch out → VCM middle in 1
- VCM middle out → mixer
- slowish cycling EG → VCFQ VC F in
(knob positions as shown in pic; also some ancillary stuff in the bottom boat just to make it sound a little less harsh)
interestingly I only get this if the VC knob on the VCM middle section is slightly above zero, even though there’s no VC going in
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I don’t have a technical explanation, but I can confirm that things like this happen to me too with my panel; like you can detect just the slightest pitch change if you turn the attenuverter for an oscillator and similar things.
niall
2883
Hell of some wizardry here, friend.
q_ben
2884
Wondering if this is due to the input “floating” a bit - banana inputs are usually not pulled down or grounded so sometimes there can be a voltage even with nothing patched. Try patching it to ground and see if that changes anything.
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Aomatos
2885
A few months ago I was wondering on this forum why I don’t see Serge systems in Noise performances and the time has come to explore that myself. So this a new project for an upcoming album. Noise sessions with a small Serge 3U system.
Patch is really simple but very open to play with:
DUSG1 OUT (audio rate) - 1v/OCT NTO
NTO TRIANGLE OUT - SIGNAL IN RING
RES.EQ OUT (feedback full CW) - CARRIER IN RING
RING OUT - VCFQ IN
DUSG2 END OUT (slow triggers) - TRIG IN VCFQ
VCFQ LOW OUT - ZEN DELAY (any stereo delay)
ZEN DELAY stereo out - Mixer
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niall
2886
How cool’re you? I love this!
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Dafake
2887
That’s brilliant I love it
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This is great. I don’t have any Serge gear though I do have Maths. I thought I might try & replicate this with non-Serge gear. Could you tell me what the signals are that are coming out of DUSG1, DUSG2 & ResEQ as you aren’t inputting anything into these modules?
Aomatos
2889
Good questions, I’ll edit my comment above for more precise instructions.
DUSG1 is in audio rate
DUSG2 is normal envelope that sends a trigger.
Res.EQ is on feedback mode. That would be hard to replicate. There are some harsh harmonics in there but I guess with an intense DPO fm patch you could do something similar?
Let me know how it sounds!
Thanks very much for the detail. I don’t have a DPO but I do have an Angle Grinder & that can certainly add some harsh harmonics.
Justmat
2891
i started playing around with this patch and, after adding in another filter with some random modulation, i ended up with some crazy bird sounds! there’s a surprising amount of variation with just slight adjustments to filter frequency and/or slope speed. really fun patch!
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gogurt
2892
I think that’s the magic about Serge in particular for me.
Like you can be very analytical about how you patch on it, understanding that module X and Y can do A, B, or C if you patch them just so, and then use your patching-fu to achieve your the sound you have in mind. At the same time, you can just completely regress to being a toddler, and semi-randomly put whatever output into whatever input and be amazed at what sometimes comes out.
I have an unused format jumbler box (since I got rid of my euro) and my 3-year old loves just putting random banana cables into it with no aim whatsoever. I just love watching him do it, and thinking that I’m basically just doing a slightly more advanced version of that.
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brenden
2893
Excuse my question if it’s been answered somewhere here, but I’m wondering if any manufacturers make Serge modules in Random Source compatible sizing other than Random Source and Metasonix. Seems like most manufacturers use LW format. I would love to fill the holes in my Random Source system with some modules that are sold out or unavailable from Random Source, but not sure how LW format fits in RS boats.
Aomatos
2894
That’s exactly what I do as well. I can’t keep up with terminology and methodology of each module. I prefer to patch and patch till I have something unheard of.
Great little feedback patch! It was a good starting point for a new patch that I started to explore. I’ve started with the bird sounds and then ended up in balloon rubbing plastic land and crazy air pressure trying to escape.
Also, in feedback patches, even a slight move of a cable by my hand can alter results because everything is interconnected, even a slight change of volts anywhere in the system can have an audible effect. Also turning knobs that don’t even participate in the patch can do that!
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yabuike
2895
for me it falls pretty exactly between those two opposite approaches, and I actually think this is maybe more particular to Serge (or probably any other system where you’re working with so to speak lower-level function blocks): I always start with a specific idea that has to do with specific function blocks (usually either “I wonder if this and this could be made to do this”, or “I wonder if I could build something like this thing that I don’t have out of this, this and this”), which I then try to realize – and nine times out of ten it doesn’t work out quite (or at all) like that, but more often than not something surprising comes out of it which I then explore and try to understand what’s going on. for some reason I never had any luck with patching randomly: paradoxically the results I got that way were almost always frustratingly predictable and I didn’t feel like I was learning anything most of the time, so for a long time now I’ve preferred to work only from theoretical ideas – which is however not the same as the “analytical” scenario of designing-and-realizing, because I rarely achieve what I had in mind!
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Aomatos
2897
Each person has its own way to explore an instrument. And it’s really interesting to read all the different approaches people take on a Serge system. When I’m talking about “random patching” it’s not really random, there is a deep knowledge of the system as a whole and a certain experience patching it. I tend to use feedback patching but I know many ideas already that have a certain chaotic charm in them and everytime I patch them I discover a new thing/sound. It’s a great way for exploring an instrument I think.
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