#492

My Mordax seems to have a bit of trouble reading higher frequencies in its tuner function, but sounds/looks like it goes to about 3000 Hz

#493

thanks! if I go down this route, I’m sure this will come in handy

#494

Hi :wave:

Apologies if this has been asked and answered already.

It seems like there is a convention for power supplies to have two lines for ground. I know there was a time when some Serge systems required a 6v rail. But it seems to me that nowadays these lines connect to a single ground bus once they reach the boat? Am I missing something? Why not just go with a conventional XLR or other three conductor cable?

I’m thinking of starting a loudest warning boat and just doing some initial research at this point. There is a high likelihood that I don’t know what I’m talking about :upside_down_face:. Please set me straight.

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#495

Good thread here about it:

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1215151

In older Serge systems, green was used for +6V, but since the mid-late 70s it has been either chassis or dirty/digital ground. I have a small Serge system where the PSU also powers some Euro modules, as well as DIY 4U and 3U, and it all works fine.

The 6 volt rail isn’t needed for the modules anymore, but the early ones used it.

#496

Ah thanks. I don’t spend too much time in there… will check it out.

#497

Similar to using a dirty ground, another line of thinking is to use both connections to halve the resistance of the ground path relative to the rails. It’s the baby version of using a buss bar for ground.
3 pin XLRs for power are not ideal in pro audio environments because you don’t want to accidentally plug your PS into mic/line IO. So why not use that extra pin for extra ground?

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#498

I use a 12u pop up mixer case for my 3 panel serge system. It works nicely and can be transported when patched to 3 plugs stacked.

Some examples here… http://www.serge-fans.com/gallery_40.html

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#499

Thanks for the response. I’ve been seriously considering this option. Only issue for me is the depth of the case laying flat, as it seems rather deep (deeper than the desk space I have)…Although I did see somewhere someone post a picture of a 12u Popup case that was stood up “upside down” like an A frame so that the shallow angle of the “pop up” created a smaller footprint…

For the time being, I’m using this simple desktop rack stand. IMG_4312

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#500

I use the same though I have some tabletop stuff, too. Studio ergonomics are a chore and a bore!

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#501

Funny, I just came to post a pic of my setup and think I have the same stand? I tried ordering the Gator 12U case off reverb but the store “couldn’t find it” so I got this as a temporary solution in the mean time! This will be the first time my 3 panels play together and I’m super excited :grimacing:

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#502

Enough building, time to play:

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#503

any experience/thoughts with 73-75 paperface panels?
how close are they with the more recent (eg R*S) ones?
I understand that they are functionally simpler (or not?). How about sonically?

#504

They are different in a lot of ways. The inputs on the oscillators are not volt per octave (although they can be scaled) whereas the modern Random Source panels and modules are. Some modules are pretty similar and haven’t changed much like the triple wave shapers. But, a lot of the sought after modules are not there in the first generation, like the wave multipliers, resonant EQ, ncom. That said, the idea of ‘patch programability’ is there, fully realized.

I can’t comment on the sound differences since I haven’t had a chance to compare them, but Random Source has upgraded the circuits and vcas somewhat with the guidance of Serge himself.

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#505

I have the 73-75 voice panel and some the R*S modules. The oscillators on the 73-75 have fewer modulation options and waveform outputs but you can shape them in various shapes using the filters, etc. Also as Jonny said, no 1/v but you can make it work with some tuning.

All that said, I think the 73-75 panel sounds fantastic. The filter is rich (I wish there were two of them), the VCAs are clean, the envelope generator is versatile, the ring modulator is fun. For the price and all you get, I love it. Definitely plan to buy the other two panels when they are released.

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#506

When playing together, how close is the the sound of 73-75 to the R*S?
Are they perceptually distinct voices or they merge nice together?

#507

There are a lot of people who blend different generations of Serge systems together, so I don’t know why they wouldn’t blend. Have you listened to the sound clips on the 73-75 and the Random Source soundclouds?

#508

yes, I’ve listened to them.
In some extracts they sound very close.
However, due to the different sound morphologies of the examples, the comparison (for my ears) in most of the cases is not very clear…

#509

It’s a bit hard to compare, since they aren’t the same modules. They share a common philosophy, but even within one generation of Serge there are lots of variations and lots of different modules…

Do they work well together? Sure… they use the same voltage ranges and general patching philosophy and lots of people mix modules from all the generations (as @Jonny said). No reason not to use them together if that’s the system you want to build for the music you want to me.

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#510

new serge only drone.

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#511

I built the 73-75 Kit, at the time I bought it the panel was 500.00ish CAD and additional parts another 300.00 The prototype kit comes with a wide variety of modules built into 2u. I didn’t realize the 73-75 voice panel had finally been released. At that price I’m skeptical. I think you would want to be EXACTLY sure of what you are getting into, which is one part of a period recreation of a 70s serge paperface. There are modern systems like R*S’s panels, bugbrand synth voice etc. at a similar price point but with more up to date features. Again, I love the 73-75 kit I built, but it fits a very specific niche.

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