Serge thread

[emenel]

Yes, it’s XLR connectors for RS style boats, although I have a SWAMP panel also connected to it … it works with any Serge you just need the right power cable.

One power supply runs 3 boats. I previously had the RS power supply, which has 5 connectors but is in reality nowhere near enough power for 5 boats, unless some of them are really light power draw.

The LW power supply is based on the Ebly one I believe, but Charlie makes his own ultra-portable enclosure for it that comes in many fun colours

I have one grey and one orange running my 5 boats. I play live a lot, and tour, so I need power that is very portable. The RS power supply is heavy and huge, and really not that powerful. The Konstant one is also heavy and huge but a little more powerful I think.

Here is a pic of one of mine so you can get a sense of the size, but Charlie has much better pics online.

Drago Nstout

Drago Nstout

[gnome666]

@emenel

LW power supply is based on the Ebly one I believe, but Charlie makes his own ultra-portable enclosure for it that comes in many fun colours

I inquired about his power supplies, and they are based on the Elby design. Here is another colorway for those interested (not my system but wish it was )

[qwoned]

Todd Barton posted an interesting video today on how to patch-program the VCFQ as a CV processor, in lieu of having a dedicated one available. I’d used it in this way mostly to process random voltages but didn’t think about using sinusoids (here I’m using the ES06 as vc’d LFO), so I decided to try it, extrapolate, and share some of the more generalizable results with the hope that others might find them useful. here’s an excerpt of the patch, unattended:

[jorgen83]

I love that panel. Especially the buckshot part with all the banana jacks. Are they all spaced for shorting bars?

[philmaguire]

Do any 73-75 builders have recommendations for rack ears? I’ve mounted mine in two Hammond 1444-1773 cases and looking for ears that will suit this, so I can mount in a 19" rack.

[lsky]

Not a 73-75 builder here, but a possible future Voice panel owner.

I’m pretty close to ordering the panel, however, reading through the old Serge handbook got me a bit worried. The handbook puts very strong emphasis on NEVER, NEVER EVER plugging an output into another output. There is also word about some protective circuits, but the point about never doing something like this is made very clear…

Now I know this is (apart from making no sense) not recommended with any gear. But since this is something that happens to me quite often with my Eurorack setup, I was wondering if anyone of the 73-75 owners around here maybe knows how the system will handle these kinds of mistakes. I’m a bit scared to blow up my unit right away, especially since I’m not even 100% familiar with what the different jacks actually are supposed to be used for…

[ht73]

Re:outputs to outputs. I make this mistake occasionally (with an actually original system, built in 1973) and have had no damage. It’s just not something to do regularly and intentionally.

[emenel]

Yeah, I haven’t had any catastrophes with my Random Source based 4U system either.

I’ll also add that Serge panel layouts generally put the inputs and outputs in separate places that are labeled and easy to differentiate, unlike a lot of eurorack modules.

[niall]

Now I know this is (apart from making no sense) not recommended with any gear.

This is easier to do inadvertently than you might think; if you stack two outputs into a single input, you’re effectively connecting an output to another output. In most cases, they’ll just say the results will be unpredictable and suboptimal, but there are some some rare cases where you’re putting your system at risk.

There’s an informative thread about this at MW. Especially CLee’s posts.

[lsky]

Thanks, for the all answers! Just out of curiosity: Is this the same for banana cables and eurorack patch cables? I was just wondering since banana cables don’t carry ground but the TS/TRS ones do, if I’m correct. However, my knowledge of electronics is (still) very limited, and I don’t know if these issues are even related…

[vals]

planning on banana cables, I was wondering on the average cable usage per panel (say in LaBestia/Animal but don’t stick on it). Particularly:

• how many cables?
• what lengths?

Some friends say around 30 per panel with a combination of 4", 8", 12" and 18".
Also, what cables to patch between pannels? 18" or 24" ?

any suggestions from your experience?

[DMR]

Eurorack using tip / sleeve with signal / ground vs. banana cables with a single conductor isn’t relevant here. Keep in mind that for both Eurorack and Banana systems, the modules share ground via the power supply header as well.

[lsky]

@vals

planning on banana cables, I was wondering on the average cable usage per panel

That would also have been my next question, only for the 73-75 panels (which should be about the size of the Random Source ones).

Judging from many of the Serge videos I’ve seen so far, the average amount of cables per patch seems to be higher than for Eurorack, which makes sense, considering the whole patch-programming idea and the heavy use of stackcables…

[kuorinki]

Can someone recommend an intro to the Serge world (site/video)? I’m trying to get some kind of idea of the differences of the various set-ups and systems.

[qwoned]

https://sergemodularinfo.blogspot.com/
http://serge.synth.net/documents/index.html
http://www.carbon111.com/serge/creature_manual.pdf

[deltaphoenix]

RandomSource stuff is available through Modular Addict - all are kits.
I believe Patch Point is the only vendor source for pre-built RS 4u 4x4/Panels. RS can supply pre-built modules at times, not sure if Patch Point or RS actually build them.

[Jonny]

I’ve seen that modular addict has the 4u stuff on their website but it seems to rarely be in stock, especially the full panels. From what I’ve read, Patchpoint builds the modules.

[gnome666]

Other than searching out a DIY builder to do it for you, Patchpoint is the only place I have found thats not always sold out of everything I ordered a La Bestia II from them a while back, but have since sold it…

[lsky]

Since I’m not sure how big the 73-75 panels actually are I’m wondering what would be the optimal maximum cable length to comfortably connect the furthest apart jacks in the panel (say left oscillator to output adapter).

Could anyone of the 73-75 owners (@philmaguire maybe?) maybe help here?

[philmaguire]

quick and rough measurement of sine output to the adapter is around 50cm, so i would say longest you would need is 60cm? so you have some slack