#859

The panel name will make way more sense when he’s done :grimacing:

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#860

Question because people were recently talking about it: If I’m getting PCBs here: https://elby-designs.com/contents/en-us/d77_Serge_Modules_01.html

I assume these don’t come with panels since they don’t mention them. What do people do for panels?

#861

What Hammond case are you using?? This looks awesome

#862

I had a similar panel based on the “Sing to Me” design, it was incredible. The 258’s fit perfectly within the Serge paradigm IMO. They have a ton of flexibility especially when working with feedback patching. Charlie packs so much into these panels too, all the mods he provides are brilliant.

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#863

Have you had any experience with R*S to compare?

My only fear is that the sound won’t be as Hi-Fi and amazing :thinking:

#864

I used to own a hybrid RS + LW system, now I have an Oakland/Hartland STS system. RS and LW sound amazing. Neither skimp on that hi-fi Serge sound. The 258’s definitely have a certain character to them, nothing like the NTO or PVCO. I want to say they have a vintage quality but really it’s just the wave shaping and triangle core that make them sort of unique. I used to have a 200r system with the 258’s and years before that a 6U euro centered around the Plan B Model 15’s and have to say I was more into the LW 258’s above anything else. It may have more to do with being able to work in feedback or other Serge style patches but I definitely had no issue with the sound.

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#865

Perfect! Excellent info :black_heart:

I wasn’t CRAZY about the NTO in the La Bestia anyways. I liked it and it sounded great but the serge sound for me came more from the wave mults/system as a whole. I never cared for the wave shaper on the NTO, so the extra options of the 258’s excite me. If I feel I’m really missing the Serge oscillators, I’ll just add them in a second panel if I go that route. I’d really like to have a RES EQ and some more sequencing/processing power in the system.

My favourite oscillating sound in that panel was a self cycling DUSG into one of the filters, so I’ll still have that option at least :grimacing:

#866

Thanks, I hope I get it up and running soon!
I got a Hammond 1444-1273, the associated bottom plate, 6 CLee brackets for the PCBs, and some terminal blocks for power distro. I sized this layout so that the bottom plate will be the front panel – it won’t look as clean but it means I can easily access the boards for calibration. Oh and for a PSU I got one of the AI Synthesis kits, though next time I’d like to get the Elby single-boat PSU.

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#867

This looks awesome. For me it would feel more complete with a noise source.l and mixer.

I personally don’t fully understand the point of the staircase out on the OSC. It gives you a predefined subharmonic that could be useful but it would have been more useful if it was controllable via a pot or CV. You could generate subharmonics with help from the DUSG anyway.

Do you need all the DUSG features? Shape can be patch programmed in a way. AC/DC outs could be switched.

Does the noise source have to be so extensive? If you are selective about it and you sacrifice some of the features above you can still have your noise and a mixer without compromising the ergonomics too much.

What are your plans for the teensy sequencer? I am also itching to do something with a teensy for my serge and would love to hear your plans.

#868

If you have access to CNC laser cut or mill service then you can make your own aluminum panels with software like OpenSCAD. I’m currently in the process of making such panels and will post the report as soon as they are ready.

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Here is 3U BoardPWR power distribution panels design, I spent about 4 hours making it with almost no prior experience.

#869

Thanks for that, so it’s more diy than I had originally thought

#870

I’m glad I’m not the only one out there who feels this way. I don’t really find much love myself for the NTO. Once I got an R*S 555VCO I found that I used it in every patch and left the NTO by the wayside. Sadly, I had to send the 555 to patchpoint for repair almost a year ago, and haven’t gotten it back yet (sadly not a great experience with that whole situation) so I’m now mostly using DUSG’s as VCO’s and my Fritz panel when I want to try and do melodic stuff

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#871

Sorry to hear about your 555 :grimacing:

#872

Hi!

About 3 weeks ago I got my first euro Serge module from R*S. I have to say that I love it. The one that came from Schneidersladen is this:

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Yesterday I discovered a local guy who’s selling his RESEQ module built by himself. This is the module:

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What are the main differences between them? Because I am thinking about getting a second RESEQ and don’t know if there are going to be huge differences in sound …

#873

The first one looks like the SMD/slim version assembled by Random Source and the second is the standard through-hole DIY version. Not sure what the difference is in terms of sound. Does yours have the large gray styroflex capacitors?

#874

That looks like the difference.

AFAIK all Res EQs will sound different because of the variance in the caps… so no two will really sound alike anyway.

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#875

Mine doesn’t have the styros, but sounds really nice. What I mean is if I will get a “better” sound, or “fatter” sound, or anything different on the good side by using one with styros …

By seeing the Patchpoint link for the “custom” version they have, I can read:

Available in 3 Editions.

  1. NOS Styro

– Vintage New Old Stock Closely Matched Styroflex Capacitors

  1. Tropical

– NOS Vintage Tropical Fish + Silver Mica Military Capacitors)

– A combination of Russian Military Silver Mica Capacitors and Tropical Fish Capacitors. All Vintage and New Old Stock.

– Face Melting sound. Nasty distortions and break ups are achieved.

  1. Modern Precision (Swiss made Precision Matched Styroflex Caps)

– Juicy, liquid Hi-Fi Goodness.

So did anybody experience those differences?

#876

Thanks for your feedback!

I didn’t know anything about it, it’s just on the Elby faceplate so I put it on there. Is it a subharmonic of the current freq of the oscillator? I thought it might be timbrally interesting, but if not I can scrap it… just not sure how to make use of that space on the panel.

I wasn’t sure about this either; I figured access to more features would add to the functionality. But suppose I made one of them more “minimal,” would I maybe make it look like one side of a DTG?

The answer to this is “definitely not.” I thought the s&h source with a DTG could work as a sample and hold, but maybe I only need the AC source? And I definitely don’t need the random generator/trig button. So I can scrap those.
So maybe something like this? I added a 2ch mixer and two attenuators, removed the staircase out and a couple of noise features, and turned one of the DUSG into a DTG. It breaks up the “typical” Serge format of columns of modules but honestly I don’t care all that much.

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#877

Question on 1 v/o tracking with DUSG and Variable Q Filter… I’m only getting about 2 octaves out of both of these, which isn’t horrible, but even with adjusting the calibration trimpot on the back I’m finding that while the two octaves are in tune the middle octave may be off about ten cents. Again, it’s useable, but any tricks for dialing these in better? The DUSG is a little better than the VCFQ, which drifts a little more. Where do you have the q and gain settings for best tracking? What’s the preferred feedback patch? Band pass to in, high or low?

#878

hello!

i’ve been making some videos using the serge for cybernetics, feedback, and analog AI - something i thought might be of some interest here.

the video below shows the basic patching of a neuron and the use of feedback through an integrator (i.e. slope generator as envelope follower) to allow the neuron to learn and adapt to its environment. hope it, and the other videos, are of some interest!

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