#1019

just when i felt settled on getting edelweiss to compliment my bestia ii, crocodile shows up. id love some input from people about which of the two would better suit my needs. obviously the answer is “you cant go wrong” but im trying to go “the most right” since this is the one serge purchase i can make in 2021.

the way i see it edelweiss offers 4 slopes + the logic stuff/ncom (which im intrigued, but also a bit intimated by). crocodile gets me another NTO in the form of STO, a dusg xl (which would give me 4 total slopes, though the bestia’s left slope is fundamentally handicapped - my sole beef with bestia), and another VCFQ (the idea of having 2 Q’s to ping at once or one to ping and one to use in low mode is super appealing).

basically im trying to figure out which will best fit my practice. im interested in: complex cv, orourke-ish drones, kayn-ish cybernetic patching, and opening up/making the best of the denseness that is bestia.

any thoughts would be very appreciated!!

#1020

I’d go with Edelweiss, personally. Crocodile is nice, but I think it’s too similar to La Bestia.

Your best bet is probably a 4x4 panel though, to specifically complement La Bestia. If you get Edelweiss, you’re still lacking Resonant EQ, which is supposedly an essential for O’Rourke’s sound. I think he also uses the Serge phaser too which has no equivalent in modern RS panels yet. Something like this would be great:

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#1021

I’m doing something very similar. In fact the only difference is I’ve also got the NCOM. So far I have that, the SSG, VCFQ, and the VCM. Very much learning but loads of fun!

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#1022

Ooooh, that’s one I didn’t know about. Very cool.

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#1023

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Well, looks like it’s ready… here are some sounds, 3 tracks overdubbed:

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#1024

20 characters of bravo!!!

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#1025

I’m 4u, but I miss having crossfaders in my current setup terribly - not least for adding some animation by fading between the ResEQ’s high and low comb outputs.

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#1026

hey! can anyone explain what the wilson analog delay is like? i’ve never heard of it before and cant find a great deal of info about it

#1027

it’s hard to explain what it’s like, and there are not many good videos with decent audio of it either. It’s essentially like a memory man pedal with a pretty “dark” sounding decay. It doesn’t really capture much high or low frequency stuff, similar to a normal analog delay. Modulations to the delay time and the lowpass filter will give you instant WAD action. I think the lowpass filter is an underrated aspect of the module. WAD can be rubbery, or harsh and it also has a very metallic and lofi sound when you stretch the delay time to it limits. A lot of times I cant tell what it’s doing until I mix it out. One of my favorite things to do is run a patch into one channel of the mixer module, and then run the same patch into the WAD into the other mixer channel and then bop that xfade to make cartoon shadows.

#1028

I’d avoid 1/2 W resistors unless you are certain the pcb supports them. They have a larger footprint and require a larger hole.

#1029

It’s better suited to super-short delays and is great for flanging and karplus strong-type patches, as well as chorus-ish thickening. There’s a bit of that here, starting around 4:40:

And a lot of it here, that swarm o’ bagpipes thing:

You can patch up some reverb with it by working the crossfader and using additional filters in the feedback path:

And it can do echoes, but I’d rather use a delay designed for those purposes:

I hope these are of some help.

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#1030

this rocks… is the IC used discontinued? i’m surprised there isn’t more stuff about this floating around

#1031

Yeah, Reticon SAD chips are long out of production, and the WAD is an expensive module.

#1033

Can I tempt you with a Scanner? https://hollasynth.github.io/scanner4/
(Feel bad about this blatant self-promotion but I’ve resisted for soooo long. Not sure that makes it better.)

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#1034

Oh, believe me, it’s been on my radar for a long time. You’ve been such a helpful presence here and elsewhere for so long, I want to get you into my system. But the QSVCA seems a bit over-specified for some simple crossfading!

#1035

Can’t disagree with that – four inches of panel is a lot to dedicate to a module if you’re mainly going to use it to fade between two of the four channels. I often find myself scanning between three channels and using the fourth as a plain VCA. This sometimes makes me wish I’d added more mix outputs but there’s enough going on on the panel so shrug

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#1036

This is my 2nd video working with electronic feedback systems, using Serge Random Source modules, a particularly interesting philosophy that starts from the theories about Cybernetic machine systems that are becoming more and more important today in Artificial Intelligence applications. This is my new art-project that questions our relationship with technology and how we could interact with it, raising questions like: Is this music “composed”? Can I claim that this is “my music”? How can we describe it? How can we listen to it with a critical mind? Does this music exist already inside the machine? Enjoy.

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#1037

recently discovered that puredata has a serge-inspired ‘slopes’ module in automatonism! has been scratching a lot of those ‘what if i put four maths in a small case’ itches i’ve been getting this year.

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edit - wow this is sick. the man knows his way around a tkb

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#1038

A friend of mine would always use the WAD to do these wild physical modeled style patches. Seems perfect for that use.

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#1039

Whenever I hear patches like this (and there’s a “famous” one o’er at MW somewhere), I almost regret letting the Animate go. Thanks for this; it’s a clever patch. Also reminds me a little of Autechre’s “Pule.”

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