#1120

Question… Sorry if this has been repeated, but it’s early for me and don’t have the patience to search the whole thread… Are the euro and 4u modules electrically identical? I’ve thought they were but my knowledge is limited. Thnx

Edit: Asking in reference to how they function with other euro modules, voltages etc.

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#1121

They are, so you’ll need to take that into account when using Serge Eurorack modules with other Eurorack modules.

Most Serge modules are designed with 0 to 5v or -2.5 to 2.5v as optimal signal voltages.

#1122

I’m asking because I already have a panel of 4u, and I’m using it with eurorack, with relative ease back and forth, audio and cv. I’m potentially considering rebuying the euro versions of the stuff I have in 4u and moving back to all euro. If everything is copacetic, I shouldn’t really expect anything to perform differently, like for example the DUSG, SSG?

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#1123

My custom “Sing To Me” panel known as “Black Dragon” by Loudest Warning is finally complete & shipping Monday! I cannot WAIT to dive back into the wonderful world of Serge :black_heart:

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#1124

Those of you who have both Random Source and Loudest Warning full panels (or other brands really, but those are the two I’m seeing most), what are your thoughts? I’m drawn to Loudest Warning’s Sing to Me but I’ve heard great things about the Random Source modules. At the end of the day is there much difference sound/functionality wise from the same module (say a DUSG) between makers?

They are the same circuits and voltage ranges so besides the power supply and slight size difference it’s comparing apples and apples right? As in you can’t put their single modules in the same boat but they will play nice with each other otherwise?

I guess what I’m asking is, if you were picking a full panel to dive into Serge which maker would you lean towards?

#1125

cant wait to hear more of your sweet serge noodles posted on the youtubes! congrats on a sick panel!

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#1126

Thanks! I hope to be littering the ‘tubes soon

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#1127

lovely stuff! really great use of the erbe verb too

#1128

Thnx! Erbe-Verb has been indeed an important part of the system which surprised me. When you send any of these weird sounds into “space”, then you have very interesting transformations happening.

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#1129

it’s also nice that the erbe verb is a space that can consistently change. it always surprises me, for years now. got one when they first came out

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#1130

Yes indeed! It’s very dynamic.

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#1131

The R*S slope generators purportedly have a wider tracking range than the previous versions. In my experience, they do track well as oscillators, but I haven’t ABd them. I don’t know how the new waveshapers and ring modulator sound, but I like the CGS versions I have just fine.

In my experience, it largely comes down to patching and panel design. I can get custom configurations from LW that do just what I need, like a dual transient generator with a cycling switch on one side and a cycling jack on the other. All my LW, R*S and COA/CGS panels work off the same power supplies.

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#1132

Happy to share with you on this fine Sunday morning my latest work: “Sirius/Σείριος”. Video made by my good friend AudioFudge, made in Hydra using various visual feedback techniques.
For those interested in the composition technique I used here: It’s a Serge Modular System feedback-ing on itself (“Cybernetic Network”) without any interference from my side. I recorded the sounds into a tape recorder, then played them on half speed and re-recorded them into my computer. You can see more Serge Feedback Systems on my YouTube channel. Enjoy!

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#1133

I started with R*S modules (not a full panel), and recently switched almost entirely to LW (one voice panel based on Sing to Me; one sequencer). I still have two R*S modules in a boat with two open spots, and I suspect I will keep this around to fill in gaps in the LW panels as I discover them.

I would recommend starting with R*S modules or panels. As I and others have mentioned elsewhere in the thread, the LW panels can be really powerful, but I would argue that they are not as ergonomic, and as one is getting to know the format, the constraint offered by R*S is possibly valuable (ymmv).

As far as differences, one thing I’ve found myself missing is the DUSG versus the dual transient generator. I don’t think the latter re-trigs without “spending” both envelopes. (I could be super wrong about this, as it wouldn’t be the first time that there was functionality hidden in plain sight. Happy for someone to tell me I’m wrong!)

One other thing I’ll put out there for you or anyone else considering a Sing to Me or some variation on it: I sure wish mine had one more Mix Pro. While the one is sufficient if you want to combine both oscillators into a single mono voice, I’ve found that a single oscillator combined with its output from the waveshaper module (and some noise) can work well as a mono voice, which means that you can effectively get two mono voices out of this*. It’s hard without some mix control dedicated per oscillator, though**.

*= Sing to Me has a single stereo out with also support the idea that it’s a single mono voice, but I just run outs from the VCA myself, as my specific Sing to Me variation does not have the stereo out module

**= What I’m doing is using the two inputs on the VQVCF, but for me it’s not ideal, since it ties noise volume to the volume of another of the oscillator inputs, which isn’t always what I want. May work fine for you.

Anyway, just thought some of what I’ve learned from recently getting to know my Sing to Me-ish might help someone!

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#1134

I have both DUSG and the Carnivore panel with SSG and Dual Slopes and both require a double patch to retrigger on the fall. Though it does feel like DUSG is more sensitive and it goes further before retrigging, if that makes sense, so unless I’m running a super fast sequence I don’t need to double patch.

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#1135

Are you patching the gate into the DUSG IN as opposed to TRIG IN? I could have sworn that this worked for retrig’ing with a single envelope channel, but maybe I’m mistaken.

#1136

Ha, you know, I stupidly don’t even know if I’ve tried this, I’ve only had these panels for a few months. I’ll try and let you know. I just assumed from using Maths that the trigger in would always give the snappiest envelope.

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#1137

Does your Sing-to-Me not have the pair of VCAs and the unity gain mixer?

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I use this often (or just one VCA, keeping one oscillator (processed or otherwise) at unity gain and devoting a VCA to the other, though it’s not a universal solution.

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#1138

I should try to use the unity gain mixer more, that’s a good recommendation. I do have that, and the dual VCAs. The general signal is one oscillator out + waveshaper out + noise => filter => VCA. And my desire is to be able to mix the pre-filter components with attenuation. As I mention, with the attenuation on the one of the VQVCF inputs I’m almost there, but not quite.

#1139

So checking this out right now, retrigger does work on IN.
Good to know!

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