#37

I’ve seen them once in Brussels (live) and I believe they were using a drum machine along with a real drummer

#38

Something you might like to try is to set up two harmonizers and send them to different speakers (hard panning, and manipulating the feedback by moving a directional microphone between them. Here’s an example from the late 80s: http://www.echonyc.com/~jhhl/Mp3/Harmonic%20Feedback.mp3

#39

My first post in Lines;)

  • In working with Ambient music and Sound Design, we are often creating drones and otherwise mangling samples. The method I wanted to show was that you don’t need to just work with a single sound source (sample).
  • Paul Stretch in Audacity, Ambient_v0.3, The Mangle, and on an iPad - iDensity, csGrain, and Borderlands examples of software I use for this purpose.
  • I will often create a number of tracks e.g. 2 - 20 and mix them to my liking. Then I will do a mix down (hence the title - Vertical for multiple tracks and a mix down in LogicPro is a Bounce)and take the result and run it through any of the software listed above.
  • The result can be a new track/sound/drone with much more character than a drone made from a single source. So instead of creating a bunch of drones and combining them, you are working in reverse order - combining a number of sounds/tracks and creating a drone from it.
  • In this piece, I created four tracks: synth sequence, bass and two ambient sounds. I bounced those and then created two drone like tracks. The first was created by running the bounce through ambient_v0.3 (a more swishing sound) and the second using Paul Stretch (a more choral sound).
  • The piece open with the 2nd drone and the 1st drone is brought in briefly twice with automation.
  • The original four tracks can be heard by themselves at 0:37 - 0:47. Then the 1st drone is faded in - full at 1:04. Then the 2nd drone is faded in at 1:17.
  • A couple of notes:
    • Most of the software mentioned will add harmonics so if your original bounce has tones in the 5Khz range, you may need to EQ the top end of some of your creations (as I did in this case), because the 15 - 20Kz range could get annoying.
    • This source ran through a I, bIII, V progression, but you can also just keep the source in a single note range, or whatever you want.
    • If there is something you don’t like in the result, you can either EQ it (massage it) or go back to the original tracks and modify them to generate a different result.
    • Think big. There have been a couple times where I created a piece, and it just wasn’t good enough. I took the whole mix down and ran it through something else and came out with a piece which was much better.
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#40

For this weeks Junto I have two techniques I wanted to share. They are both in the same song and were part of a video project for One Track Mine. I used Brian Eno’s Apollo album as my source. The video was inspired by the Rosetta project a few years back, the orbit and landing on a moving comet. I took a clip of the first few seconds of each track on the album and loaded them onto separate tracks in Cubasis. Then played them all at once so they meshed into a single mass of sound. Then that audio was imported into Sector, a circular randomizer/sequencer app, which I used to build into a simple sequence that was broken apart by randomized clips of the audio from the album, which are never the same clips during each playback. So essentially I wanted to share the technique of track stacking and randomized slicing of audio in a sequence. Nothing all that special or ground breaking but it was fun to do. The video can be seen here:

A screen capture of the track in Sector:

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#41

I don’t know if this is a trick or technique, it’s just something i’m into at the moment.
Field recordings. I like nature sounds and storytelling and thought it could be useful to record stuff and use it in electronic music and/or audio dramas to add something organic and real.
Plus i discovered the sampler in ableton and use the field recordings to create my own sounds.
In this track i used a recording of a bonfire and extracted a short rhythm and some kind of melody by looping parts of the recording and adding a lot of effects. I also used a few of the tips like crossfading and send tracks.

It is also a nice way to collect memories, like you do with pictures. In that case, i remember a bunch of great people and awesome kids, some of them are friends, some are strangers, but all of them were my guests and we shared this evening together on the fire. The spoken part at the beginning is us, trying to calm down five kids, a bunch of adults and a dog for a minute. Of course we didn’t make it.

And because i learned another awesome massage method this weekend and now have to deal with some side effects (the central nervous system can be a bitch too) it represents pretty much my constitution today. Maybe working on it kept me from getting a panic attack.

Thanks for all the wonderful input.

https://soundcloud.com/rudzupuke/i-saved-you-a-seat-by-the-fire-disquiet0242

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#42

Thank you! Yeah I remember a friend telling us that’s how the did the intro on Yes-Roundabout, I don’t know if it’s true but am sure glad I have digital otherwise a lot of tape would have died an unnecessary death :wink:

#43

Mud mud glorious mud :slight_smile:

#44

It is like the echoes are gradually moving away into the distance. I like that effect. I usually have two echo pedals and a reverb on my effect sends - but one of the echo pedals (EHX #1) I bring into a channel on the main board instead of using a Return channel. In that way, I can pan, EQ, and also re-send that echo to my other pedals (and itself…carefully!). Allows a lot more creative control over the outcome.

#45

This is not only a great visual demonstration of the technique, but also a beautiful track!

#46

I keep trying to arrange face to face collaboration, but never quite get it sorted. Most of my ‘IRL’ friends are not into the same kind of music as me and have no interest in what I do - and the ones who do live a distance away. That’s the excuses out of the way… now I just have to make it happen!

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#47

Nowt wrong with Acid - I use it as my main DAW. Does all that I need and more.

#48

Love love love - that section around 1 min 20 makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

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#49

As much as I like Ableton, I still work with Acid quite a bit–as long as it doesn’t crash. Too bad Sony doesn’t seem to have enough enthusiasm for it to update the program.

#50

This is really an experiment–both in using archive.org and llllllll.co and also in terms of the audio. I used PureData to make a patch that was intended to simulate the wow and flutter of tape recording, with some exaggerated pitch shifting for effect. I did this by patching timers and random number generators that would alter the pitch of two oscillators independent of one another. The result was somewhat less lo-fi than I wanted, but with some work I think it could effectively replicate the sound of tape manipulation. I personally really prefer for the junto to not be platform-specific, because I’ve used Soundcloud for a few years now and basically I’m out of space on my free account. I want to be able to keep tracks up and continue to participate, and I can’t really do both with Soundcloud without buying the pro account. I’m not positive about embedding/previewing files on archive.org so this is a test of that also.

EDIT:
I’m not having any luck getting the archive.org player to embed with iframe. I don’t know HTML–open to suggestions if anyone has experience with this.

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#51

I looked at @sevenism’s post, and I’m pretty sure the best way to put in an archive.org player is to simply post the http:// url of the MP3 (the one that ends with .mp3). That I think will automatically produce a small player here.

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#52

You can’t paste HTML into a Discourse forum (which is what llllllll.co is). Instead, just paste bare MP3 URLs and Discourse will convert them into a player embed.

Also curious to see if a playlist URL works:

https://archive.org/download/apvague_6612/apvague_6612_vbr.m3u

OK, that didn’t embed a player, but it will likely launch a local player on your computer.

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#53

Oh, nice. I like the no-frills aesthetic of just the simple player itself too. Thanks.

#54

yeah i like the simplicity of the player

and archive.org automatically converts to mp3 which is handy for embeds

#55

Bad luck? Had to restart the computer with this url, not quite sure I listened to the music or a digital artifact :slight_smile:

#56

Bizarre. No idea…