#61

That was really good! Thank you

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#62

Very nice! I also have a modular synth and have recently purchased the Erica Sample Drum sampler. Itā€™s not a granular sampler, but Iā€™ll try to make some similar with it. Letā€™s seā€¦

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#63

I have a sample drum, which i got as a replacement for the bitbox I sold (too big), and i love it. Ive not used the deluge with it yet, but it is SUPER fun when you do things like throw CV (LFO) at a drone sample start point. Youll defintiely be able to squeeze something similar out of it.

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#64

Is there any ability to achieve octa-like scene behaviour? Are we able to map snatches of samples/loops across the grid? Perhaps using multi-sampling without the pitch functions to place loops across the grid? Are we able to sequence loop points?

#65

Good questions!

Whilst being pretty proficient at what I do with the Deluge I am not a full expert if you like!
I have had an Octatrack and never quite got my head round the scenes function, but if youā€™re talking about cross-fading from one complete set of parameters/samples/effects to another, the Deluge cannot do that. It can however load seamlessly whilst playing so you can achieve some element of moving between tracks like that.

You can edit the loop points, start and finish points speed of samples and map them to a kit which can then be treated in similar (or different) ways with filters, eq, effects and sequenced. I quite often sample long periods of bleeping and chop it up to select my favourite bits before sequencing and mangling in the Deluge.

You canā€™t sequence loop points as far as Iā€™m aware.

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#66

I see that Deluge encourages a mindset of mapping vertical sounds horizontally across time. So, rather than loading a sample and sequencing itā€™s parameters over time, we alter its parameters across a kit and sequence them individually. Are we not able to affect other parameters per-step? fx, envelopes?

Are we able to map multiple parameters at once to the ā€˜customā€™ parameters under the gold encoders?

#67

Iā€™d encourage you to check out the very detailed Youtube tutorials available here:

(some of these below are for older versions of the firmware, and are thus incomplete. the embed here is meant to be the whole playlist but it only shows the first preview, which is the oldest video)

Every parameter can be affected per step, recorded live (recording knobs), and edited.

I donā€™t believe there is currently a way to map multiple parameters to a single knob.

However, firmware updates are frequent and they definitely listen to owners. Feel free to check out the Synthstrom forum on their site to see what types of features people are requesting.

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#68

Thanks emenel, I have watched the Loopop and read the manual. As you say, Deluge has been updated and I hoped to find that 3.0 included changes to the things I have inquired about. Iā€™ve scoured the material and have not been able to discern whether multiple parameters can at once be mapped to the ā€˜customā€™ encoders, and whether loop or start and end points can be adjusted per step. Iā€™ve seen it said that loop or start/end points are not available to be adjusted per step, are you submitting that they are? Hope so!

#69

Neither of these things are possible in the current firmware.

Loop point automation is high on the request list, so hopefully that gets added in the future. It can be edited manually in real time, but not recorded as automation yet.

I havenā€™t seen anyone else ask about assigning multiple parameters to a single knob, it may be an edge case that doesnā€™t get implemented.

#70

Cheers emenel. Multiple parameters under the custom encoders would achieve some 0cta-like scene behaviour which is beloved.

Seems strange that all but loop point are available to be adjusted per-step.

I wonder if the pitch adjustment used by multisampling could be switched off, allowing us to place loops across the grid to be played ala MLR.

#71

Yes. You can map a sample across a kit without pitch shifting. And you can pitch per step if you want.

#72

I meant map various samples/loops across the entire grid, not the audition pads. So each pad would contain a sample/loop and could be played polyphonically.

#73

Best way to achieve that would be to use a sample as the oscillator in a custom synth voice in the Deluge.

#74

This would give me a different loop on each pad? Would it not just pitch one sample across the grid to be played chromatically. Iā€™m after a grid of different stored samples/loops.

#76

Not sure thatā€™s possible as when using a kit thereā€™s no way to assign the samples horizontally across the grid as the horizontal axis represents time.

#77

Hey everyone,

First post here. Hope you had a great Christmas!

Iā€™m looking for some advice.

Iā€™m big in to Ron Morelli, Alberich, Vatican Shadow, Prurient, DJ Stingray, dark techno, drone, industrial, dark ambient, Hospital
productions, L.I.E.S, Trilogy Tapes etcā€¦

I currently make music with a modular system, Blofeld, Machinedrum, Analog Keys and others. I bring it all together in Ableton.

It works, and I love the sounds I get, but I want a more tactile and direct way to warp and manipulate audio, build tracks and simply create. I want to sample the synths, then twist and shape the sounds eventually in to tracks.

Iā€™ve been thinking about getting an Elektron Octatrack for some time. It seems like it does much of what Iā€™m after, and I know plenty of people that swear by them. Iā€™m comfortable with the Elektron workflow, but also appreciate thereā€™s a steep learning curve with the OT.

I recently came across the Deluge. Iā€™ve been watching videos now, trying to get my head round it. The sequencer seems awesome, and super easy to use, but I donā€™t know if the sampler and arrangement is as fully fledged as the Octatrack, at least from a mangling and warping perspective.

Iā€™m not sure whatā€™s more appropriate for what Iā€™m trying to achieve and canā€™t really afford both right now.

Any advice appreciated!

#78

The Akai MPC series and Roland SP series are worth a look. Theyā€™re not necessarily as friendly for tweaking as e.g. an Octatrack, but slicing loops, assigning them to pads, and then sort of using your fingers and rhythmic sense to arrange can be a surprisingly satisfying way to build up a track. These seem like a nice complement to your setup, which sounds more centered around step sequencing and DAW arranging.

#79

I havenā€™t used the Deluge, but can speak to the Octatrack and the Digitakt, both of which I own.

Octatrack really shines for me when Iā€™m using it as one of a few instruments, Iā€™ll use it as a mixer/sampler/fx box. using it along with an Op-1 or an 0 coast I feel like I can do anything. The learning curve has been steeper than I imagined, even as a dedicated Elektron user after almost a year I still have to read the manual or watch a video to do simple things. I think part of what throws me is that there are several ways to record a sample, for example, so I will start with step one of one way and move on to step two of another way.

Digitakt I feel like I mastered it within fifteen minutes of opening the box.

An example (from memory): if I want to record my modular into the Digitakt itā€™s as simple as pressing the record monitor button and then pressing the yes button and then stopping recording and assigning it to a track. If I want to do the same thing with the Octatrack itā€™s like 1) make a flex machine 2) set the parameters on recording page one and page two 3) futz around with button press combos, do I press and hold rec 1 and the track Iā€™m recording to? 4) realize I had the gain staging totally off but make do with a distorted sample that started at a different point than I expected.

I keep thinking about sending the Octatrack to a new owner, but whenever I give it the final chance it engages me in ways I hadnā€™t expected. I love that slider! I love the four individual outs!

So Iā€™d say consider a Digitakt if you want a pretty simple thing that does exactly what you want it to do or an Octatrack if you want to print out a big manual, rip some hair out in frustration and then have an amazing ā€˜hallelujah I canā€™t believe what I just madeā€™ moment every once in a while.

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#80

Itā€™s not as difficult as that :blush:

  1. Set up parameters of Rec page 1 (inputs and record mode - you only need to do this once if you make a template)
  2. Play source audio and set levels so the LEDs touch red
  3. Press record until captured
  4. Edit, save & assign

It can be more complex than that, but it can also be as simple as that too.

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#81

I own both, Deluge and Octatrack.
The Delugeā€™s sampler features are great, but different somehow to the OT.
You can use multisamples in the Deluge (you cannot do it with the OT). Place a lot of samples across the keyboard so every note plays a different sample. As you have 2 oscillators, you can also have 2 velocity layers for each key.
In the Deluge you also have kits, so you can use a big number of samples saved as a kit (each one with its own effects and settings) to load quickly as the press of a button.
You can also use slices, but you cannot assign an LFO to automate the selection.
I miss however the fader from the OT, itā€™s a great performing tool.
With the Deluge you cannot (yet) automate sample start and end, but I hope we will be able to do it in a feature upgrade.
The Deluge is a live project, with constant updates and a lot of things are improved. And new features like MIDI templates, wavetables, MPE support are realistic upgrades on the horizon. The OT, on the other hand, is a dead project, with no updates.
The Deluge is really a lot more friendly to use than the OT. You are not limited with the number of track and songs you can create. (On the OT you can load more songs from the card, but you have to wait a lot to load samples to RAM and this is not good when playing live)
Iā€™d recommend you go with the Deluge. :grinning:

This is something I recorded today with the Deluge. I used some multisamples I created from my Casio VL-1, and play a melody from the isomorphic keyboard (another great feature)

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