I think you are right, but I also think that TE have always tried to be a design studio, who also made a synth, more than a synth maker, who also made accessories.

I used to be majorly into them, because they were quite close to where i live, and being in a design education at the time, they were doing something different, but not too different, from the danish design tradition i was being force fed with.
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And also used to run a webshop selling cool japanese gear, that was hard to get in europe.

Like this one, with an interesting design :slight_smile:
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It would be nice, if someone actually owned one and gave a review of it, instead of all the bitching about it.

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IIRC Teenage Engineering does a lot of design work for other companies as well, at their core they are a design firm. They haven’t really released anything novel in a while, look at their track record for the last few years, they worked with Ikea making lights, then Poloroid making cameras, and remember that god awful crank-powered gameboy thing that isn’t even released yet?
Rick and Morty pocket operator?
Increase the price of the OP-1 by 400$ ?
URINE COLORED SWEATSHIRT FOR 170 BUCKS?
I mean… honestly folks, Teenage Engineering fell off ages ago, to me, they’re just like these “designer streetwear” brands like supreme and bape, they sell their logo and the experience of having their product. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Perhaps not quite as bad as a $9k Hermès purse:

But gives me the same vibe…

Also - what kind of crazy design is a pair of exposed, unprotected speaker cones on a portable device? Tacit acknowledgement that this will be purchased, played once or twice, and then set at a jaunty angle in someone’s hip office, never to move again?

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Dare say TE will release a further range of grilles cases etc

Reminder (if we’re bitching let’s be factual) the crank didn’t power that thing, it was just an additional gameplay controller.

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And TE only designed the crank. The Play-Date was designed by a different company.

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I didn’t know that and it’s the most hilarious statement / info of this whole thread. Happy to have read this far just for it.

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I mean, I take this as “they did the crank”

Maybe they did more?

And yes, I should fill my brain with more valuable information, but I’ve learned that I’m not in charge of what I remember anymore.

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Just throwing this out there but one of the things I value about this forum is that it doesn’t often partake in trash talking. I get the bad vibes I’m just not sure that it’s energy well spent. That’s obviously for everyone to decided, and I know I’m not the police n shit, but I wanted to mention it.

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Not gonna lie, I love this thing. I love that it’s a simple, stupid, over the top idea. It’s executed fairly well from what I can tell. It’s a luxury product with a narrow purpose and a narrow use case - presumably it does that well and in an inspired way. I hope everyone blasts it all over town - I enjoy walking around and hearing what people are listening to.

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Please speak more about this module. Even the cheapest kit I can find is about 5 times that!

For so many reasons, this is, as the kids say, “Not It”.

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I bought the smaller IKEA whoseywhatsit speaker with the bright yellow face plate late last year. Next time I’m brave enough to go to IKEA I’ll buy the battery that I can put in the back. That way I can carry it in my hand, with my walkman clipped to my belt, when I “walk around the prison yard” of our neighborhood for what counts as “exercise”. Living the dream. I may even wear my shades.

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I’m not in the target market for this one, but it’s worth acknowledging that there’s a growing consumer and design space around public personal expression. In a world of ubiquitous noise cancelling headphones and private experiences there remains a thirst for the sort of thing this idea offers to an admittedly narrow group. TE isn’t doing anything here that say Boombotix hadn’t previously built a brand around. What’s maybe the most disappointing aspect of this is ultimately a classic boom box but give it a price tag that offers a sense of entitlement.

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I think @steveoath’s comment is worth more introspection. Completely aside from this product, but decidedly related to it, is this point. They ended up in a weird position. They made two music Products that are well loved, but you can only make so many music Products?

It’s hard to make a v2 without making everyone with a v1 feel bad.

I’m not suggesting their capitalism is altruistic, but I do have a kind of respect for a design firm making something else without an eye towards selling you the next version. I see this more as another part of their attempt at an escape route. They have always been a Design Firm :tm:, they happened to find success making music devices. There is a degree of music nerds wanting more music things, but there is also a degree of them needing to play a different game to market to a different space that directly conflicts with the sensibilities of some of their existing customers.

But it also has a degree of gross and bad? It’s like how I find bananas to smell putrid and others do not. Once you’re over “The Big Apple Lie”, I think you develop a sensitivity to that. @dianus rightly cited the absurd deification of specific figures within design who are there as a result of intense amounts of myth making about their actual personal contributions. Rams and Ive have had their names stamped on the work innumerable talented designers and engineers who worked under them, and they’ll happily name the most prominent of those folks, but that myth doesn’t sell well. The man myth made Edison, and it made Apple. (And to be clear, TE isn’t pitching a mythic designer, but they’re using the marketing language of those that do.)

Which is to say: this has a lot of heat on because of the forces they’ve invoked to sell their future garbage, and in this world, that look is going to start looking worse and worse. We all relate to this differently, but given where lines sits, we’re actually very stuck at the nexus of who has very strong feelings about this.

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I have 2 inter-related thoughts after reading this thread:

First is that a company can make many things for many different areas. Yamaha makes everything from vehicles to musical instruments and would anyone be upset if one day they decided to make a candy bar? Would people be upset with them for making a candy bar because “thats not who I thought they were” or “thats not what I wanted them to be” ? It is a serious question about the inner narrative about this company not meeting their expectations.

Second: There seem to be a lot of views that come from a self centered viewpoint. When I go into a mall today, I understand that the mall is not for me. I have long ago ceased to be its target demographic. Am I mad that malls still exist and do companies with a store in the mall somehow hold a malign ethos because how dare they make something not for me? No, not at all. I think those who criticize this device’s price point and indulgences would be unlikely to buy the product at nearly any price point. Why make a fuss when something is not for you and would a monetary concession relieve your individual grievances with the product?

Are you upset that this company did something that didn’t live up to your expectations? Are you mad that the device is not for you? Do you feel that the pricing of a product is somehow equivalent to its merit?

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actually it was €25 assembled :slight_smile: - https://www.tesseractmodular.com/eurorack-modules/low-coast
I saw the 12v radio unit on Banggood or somewhere and planned to build it into a DIY module myself, but these people beat me to the idea and did it so cheaply that I just bought one. :smiley: It’s pretty great tho a little quirky… somehow wouldn’t work with certain of my other modules, I added AC coupling capacitors on the outputs tho which seems to help. Also it has quite a bit of digital noise from the display. But anyway it’s fun and well worth the very low price :slight_smile:

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Hmmm…Surprisingly seems like many people dont really get TE. They make functional pop art that is fairly wide in scope. They are not for “the consumer”.

I would encourage folks to read the story on engadget as it gave a little more insight into the thoughts and excitement that went into this project.

To those wanting an OP2 or new sound gadget…I mean sure that would be like…ya awesome another cool thing… but isnt that the same capitalist mindset. Give me something new and make it better than the last and it better be environmentally friendly gaddammit!!

Im pretty happy with opZ and the op1 and there is SO much more to get out of those instruments. So ya dont wanna see anything super deep from them anytime soon.

If the OB4 has the great open natural sound they are talking about then I am likely in at some point. Its got enough going for it that makes it worth it for me.

The marketing itself yeah its defo not the best…pretty cringey but thats not really new to them. And they did admit the failure on their part which is fairly brave I think. They have 2 diff voiceovers for the promo video( english and japanese) and the jap one really fits the whole Hifi vibe but the english one just sounds like an apple ripoff which is double cringe as I find apple marketing videos mostly enormously cringey.

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So, just to be clear, this radio has a SEM filter, right?

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