Haven’t had any clocking issues on my norns so far using the OP-Z as master for less concepts yesterday

I’m very pleased to report the extended tip usb c seems to have greatly helped my midi/audio dropouts. It’s not the most aesthetically pleasing solution but it has seemed to do the trick!

UNIDOPRO 2-Pack 3FT 10mm Extended…

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After three failed Z’s I gave up. First one was so bent it resembled a banana. Second just died entirely after a day. Third had encoders issues.

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I keep forgetting to ask.

I’m using the usb jack for all midi and as an audio interface (an aggregate device with my presonus)

Am I going crazy or is the audio coming out of the usb flopped?
For example: my zed is currently setup as input 11-12. Normally 11 would be left channel and 12 the right. But with the zed this is the opposite.

Not a huge deal but something I just need to keep in the back of my mind.

I’m having a similar issue with L/R panning in AUM on iOS; Left and Right channels coming from the OP-Z via usb seem to be reversed.

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We are not alone. I posted on the Facebook group and there were some users there as well who had the issue. I’m glad it’s a bug, because I was going nuts cross checking stuff in my system lol.

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Looks like a new firmware popped up a couple days ago.

https://teenage.engineering/downloads/op-z

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The second module has been announced, offering haptic rumble. Bi of a curveball, which is always nice to see. Could be interesting with a contact mic, but what caught my attention was the use of the empty ports at the back to add two new buttons. I hadn’t considered this option before, but it does open up the possibilities for the expansion slot a little more.

It’s a bit conservative in terms of features, perhaps, but it’s only £69, so… you know. Might have been an opportunity to add some thematic features like a DC interface, similar to the Field Kit, and maybe an extra audio out to connect to a physical subwoofer, but it all adds to the price, I suppose - and I’m guessing this will already put some strain on the battery, without throwing motors and solenoids into the mix.

Looks like they’ve also revised the locking mechanism, which has been causing a few problems for people - so I’ll be waiting to see if the MIDI / CV module benefits from this in the next batch.

I was a bit skeptical at first, but then I thought of the possibility of using the rumble module against items with acoustic properties, and then resampling them. I might buy it just for that.

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I’m pretty disappointed that this is the module they chose to release.

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@doublecoolbossman Absolutely. Ties in perfectly with their customer relations so it makes perfect sense really lol :wink:

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Cant spell grumble without rumble :sweat_smile:

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I can already do that with my Nintendo Labo piano ^^

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Had the same double trig issue. Interestingly - it wasn’t there when I bought it, but after a firmware update it started double trigging on almost all the buttons. Which is really frustrating. Fortunately - the shop I got it from gave me a new one after contacting TE.
It seems like it is a well known issue without a solution (yet, I hope) that’s why it’s easier for them to give you a new unit hoping it will not behave the same way.

Did TE reply to you suggesting you replace the unit with your retailer?

I did not contacted them directly so could not say if that was TE’s idea or it was a good will of a retailer.

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it sounds like the rumble module was designed with Lofelt (the folks who made the Basslet) and I all I can say is that the variable frequency haptics they build are really quite compelling.

That’s cool, but where it made sense for a bracelet, I’m still trying to figure out how it’s not completely gimmicky and a bit futile for the OPZ. I mean even the metronome which feels like the most straightforward idea, is anyone playing the OPZ rythmically on a live stage ? And if so, would they settle for something like this to do it better ? I don’t know. I always welcome sidestepping from expectations but this just feel like doing something weird for the sake of difference and cool-factor, which is nothing new from TE and completely fine if that’s what they’re after.

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The OPZ feels much like the grid (and the Norns in general) in that it is attempting to move electronic music making away from the screen. And increasing the level of haptic feedback is a cool potential way to do that. It’s actually hard to quantify, without having used the device, how much music making changes when we move away a little from our ears, and bring the experience to our other senses.

I understand both sides of the argument; TE fan boys are reluctant to mention any of their current or previous manufacturing, customer service and pricing foibles. I actually agree whole heartedly that these are areas the company can greatly improve. But let us not forget that they are doing fantastic design strides in improving the approach to making music. From eliminating the basic synth parameters from the synth engines in an OP1, to working with a LED based workflow on the OPZ to eliminating all the fat of a music making device with the PO series. The rumble pack might be a cool device. It might be inspiring and bring one further in to the experience. It might be a $100 curio. It’s hard to tell. This is one of the aspects that makes TE an exciting, if sometimes frustrating company to follow.

Lastly, I make most music in an improvised fashion. I make something, enjoy my 2 hours then file it away. Having something like this device would allow me to make more exploratory music with my OPZ and not have the metronome clicking away. If anything I can now go off tempo and feel my way back, which is a cool idea!

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It’s not because it’s haptic instead of audible that it’s not extremely weird and unnecessarily distracting when you go off tempo and the thing keeps pulsing at a specific tempo trust me on this ^^ the only thing you gain is you can’t hear it, but as you said, your experience with your other senses is just as fundamental and the mental dissonance it creates is still quite strong.

Other than that I feel if I want to interract with my other senses (especially haptic feedback), I have a lot of better options (including turning back to my acoustic instruments) or even getting the basslet because I tried it and considered an haptic bracelet for while now, I just really can’t stand the look of the options available right now. It’s just that the OPZ is a small slate and I think as far as haptic feedback goes, it’s not a very good form factor for it, so I’m not at all dismissing haptic feedback as a concept to push music further, just kind of not interested about it as an added concept for the OPZ. Which I still own and love so that’s really not a big problem and I’ll be super happy to hear people making good use out of this module !

The only thing I agree the opz form factor could be useful for is to create tuned vibrations on resonating surfaces, but then again I was actually serious about my joy cons and the nintendo labo piano ^^ I used it a bunch like that I recorded a few things with this system !