#225

I agree

which reminds me…

patterns are a canonical part of the OG teletype core functionality that had no corresponding physical place

seems like there has always been a weird tension between direct physical links and more removed info hovering on a separate layer

imo pattern and timeline feel related
both similarly detached from a direct physical anchor (or specific use case)

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#226

While the open discussion of features on discourse if great, it does seem that the ideas get scattered across the thread (can someone point me to the key proposal for shadow scripts?). Is there a wiki or similar that we could use to capture the proposal and options?? It might be that this could then form the basis for extending the documentation as the features get pulled into the mainline and released.

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#227
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#228

shadows scrips sounds like an elegant/amazing idea :slight_smile:

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#229

nothing happening anymore overhere…
any news on this front?

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#230

I am still hoping… :grin:

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#231

Longer init script would be enough for me. :smiley:

#232

makes me sad that nothing really came of this

i thought the ideas exchanged were some of the most exciting i’ve ever heard of within this community

mabye the time wasn’t right for some reason

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#233

I’m so excited about the other updates that I don’t mind if this comes sooner or later. :slight_smile:

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#234

Definitely agree. I’d also like to voice that this thread was a super exciting to me and hope that something will come of it.

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#235

I had the chance to buy a second hand Teletype module two months ago, this module is amazing and now that I’m playing with the grid ops I’d also like a longer Init script if that’s technically possible. The 8 scripts and 6 lines per script limitation is a good exercise (like when I decided to choose a 2x84 hp case instead of a 2x104) but with the grid ops yeah a longer Init script could be useful. I also have two TXo+ and an ER-301 so the Teletype is now a major element of the case. A frustrating thing that I’ve encountered is not being able to write IF and L on the same line, I have to call another script.
IF X: L 0 15 PN 0 I RRND 256 RRND 3638

With these PRE, sometimes I wish I could “tell” the script “ go the the next line” with a symbol like “>” when I don’t have enough space to write the conditions, haha. But the new “per script” variables are already a very useful addition.

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#236

I had an idea today.
Does the Teletype memory structure allow the possibility of calling scripts from another scene? I could imagine storing a bunch of init scripts or helper scripts in a scene, that’s only used to store ‘functions’ that are called from the active scene. Could pass global variables through as well.
Would certainly help with TXo setups, and grid integration layout initalisations

Sorry if thats been brought up previously, I havent read this entire thread

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#237

I for one would like to voice support for the script line/length limitations. I am a software engineer during the day and I think the limits that the TT language has implemented are reasonable. TT User’s aren’t expected to debug or deal with runtime errors. That alone is an incredible feat that often gets overlooked. While we appreciate what we can do with TT, that appreciation is also what breeds the frustration when the limits are reached. I think that stretching those limits should be done with great caution as software is hard. I think that if I had to start employing techniques/skills that I use during my day job to write a TT script, I would immediately sell the TT.

All this to say, TT to me is an environment I enjoy living in. I think that if it’s limitations are too much for some then I would guess there are probably more adventurous coding eurorack platforms out there that are better suited for that task.

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#238

Someone with just a standalone Teletype would probably be fine with status quo. Those of us with a few Telexes and a grid are having a harder time setting things up within a scene.

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#239

Trouble is, there is no better platform for developing grid apps than Teletype. If PD or MaxGen, or whatever else the more “adventurous” coding-platform modules can run, offered better experiences for integrating a grid into a modular rack, they’d already be in use as such. If you know of another platform for Eurorack where you can plug in a grid and just start iterating on some code, please tell us.

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#240

the thing is, it’s not an either/or scenario. just like grid ops / grid visualizer could be considered making tt more complex, they only do if you use them. if you don’t, you won’t even see it (unless you happen to accidentally press alt-g on live screen). edit: i should clarify i’m talking about the shadow scripts concept. for others it will obviously depend on how the UI is implemented.

there is nothing wrong with limitations (indeed, self imposed limitations can be a great source of inspiration), just like there is nothing wrong with super complex dense scenes. the very nature of teletype is that it can be many different things to different people.

“If you don’t actively fight for simplicity in software, complexity will win.” i actually agree with this, but to me this is an argument for longer scripts. shorter / more efficient code tends to introduce complexity. readable code tends to be more verbose.

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#241

Amen. I say let the code golfers have their fun (keep lots of short OP aliases and “compound function” OPs) but some breathing room would be healthy. Grid OPs still make me go cross-eyed with the number of argument compared to other OPs, but I appreciate the necessity of that density for fitting on one line.

Shadow scripts are still my favorite conceptual approach. Let “scene calling” be used for modular scripts rather than simply MORE scripts.

@jimi23 yes you can call a new scene and maintain your existing INIT. I think we actually need a new OP or two regarding this behavior. One OP for changing whether or not INIT should run, and a variable that returns the number of the previous scene (I want to make finite state machines!). A variable that returns the number of the active script could also be useful for when calling a script from a script.

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#242

I think norns is pretty nifty and crow will allow for a different flavor of grid app for euro which can have reallllly long scripts.

I’m not in favor of adding much more complexity into Teletype and share the same sentiments as @hankyates

The shadow scripts idea was probably my favorite one that has come out of this discussion.

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#243

Read through this entre thread, lots of great ideas here!

What’s the status of all this? Are any of the suggestions making their way into the coming firmware?

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#244

From my understanding, nothing major has reached beta (except I think a new version of SCENE called SCENE.G that doesn’t overwrite grid button and fader state?) @scanner_darkly has plenty of fish to fry, so without more active contributors I wouldn’t hold your breath.