Telex: Teletype expanders

GoneCaving · 2019-03-13T08:14:08.653Z

Yep, Ansible CVs to TXi, Gates to Teletype, with the Teletype scripts reading the CV and setting pitch on the TXo OSCs. You might need to mult out the triggers to a quad envelope generator, or use the built in envelopes in TXo (but in that case you have no keyboard control over the duration).

TonyIdaho · 2019-03-13T14:27:18.409Z

Mind telling a lost soul the commands for reading Ansible CVs?
I don’t see any commands for reading CV under MIDI/POLY Mode in the manual.

Jonny · 2019-03-13T14:35:04.829Z

Looks like they’re reading the TXi inputs with teletype, which the Ansible physical CV jacks are patched to.

TonyIdaho · 2019-03-13T14:36:58.683Z

Ah. makes sense now.

Wish they can make a mid.cv command like they have on KR.CV

GoneCaving · 2019-03-13T14:40:04.155Z

Yes, I did mean that the ansible outputs would have to be patched. You’d need to do that anyway for the gates as there’s no way for Ansible to trigger scripts on Teletype.

If you wanted a new op to read the midi CV, it’s all open source if you feel like scratching your own itch!

rklem · 2019-03-13T22:38:42.882Z

I made a reverse i2c cable to connect my ER-301 (rev7, i2c modified) to the TXb, but I can’t find any information about the pin assignment of the TXb.

If I look at the back, TXb horizontally, power connector on the left, I see a white stripe on the bottom pin row, so this is probably GND? But which of the two other rows is SCL and which is SDA?

SCL
SDA
GND

or

SDA
SCL
GND

?

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bpcmusic · 2019-03-13T22:45:34.216Z

In many respects, the TXb is order neutral. All pins in the same row are connected together. The pins with the white box around them are ground. The other two have pull-up applied (when powered).

That said, there is a standard ordering based on how the Teletype, Ansible, trilogy modules, TELEX modules, and Mannequins modules (Just Friends and W/) have things set up. Ground may be oriented differently depending on the module, but the order is the same.

rklem:

SDA

SCL

GND

The early ER-301 do not follow this ordering and swap the SCL and SDA lines.

You will find more info here in this lovely guide:

A user's guide to i2c Monome

A user’s guide to i2c modules/devices Prepared by @okyeron, @scanner_darkly and @justmat A growing number of devices are making use of the i2c protocol, so here’s a simplified users guide to help monome/modular/music people navigate this sometimes confusing space. Please add questions and comments and we can try to update the main post as needed. what is i2c? i2c is a communication protocol - it’s a way for devices to talk to each other, like MIDI or USB. Some wikipedia for reference: i2…

rklem · 2019-03-13T23:05:27.802Z

Thanks a lot for the quick reply! I know the i2c guide, but I didn’t see this information there, so this is very helpful. So usually (including TXb) SDA is on the opposite side of GND.

rklem · 2019-03-16T15:51:28.440Z

I just received my 16n and the “16n to TXb” cable you suggested. The 16n transmits MIDI via USB and works with the 16n test page, but as soon as I power on my modular rack (i2c connection: 16n -> TXb -> ER-301) the test page doesn’t respond anymore, so I assume the 16n is crashing.

I’m a little worried that the cable might be the problem, because it’s an “Auxiliary stereo” and not a “simple stereo” cable (2 rings instead of one)?

Jonny · 2019-03-16T16:00:57.908Z

rklem:

I’m a little worried that the cable might be the problem, because it’s an “Auxiliary stereo” and not a “simple stereo” cable (2 rings instead of one)?

It’s usually called an aux or auxiliary cable since people use it to plug a phone or mp3 player into their car stereo (aux in).

edited to remove incorrect info

rklem · 2019-03-16T16:08:38.846Z

It’s this cable:

amazon.com

Amazon.com: CableCreation 1.5 Feet 3.5mm TRRS Auxiliary Audio Cable 90 Degree...

Standard stereo cable:

amazon.com

Amazon.com: Belkin Mini-Stereo Audio Cable for Smartphones, Tablets, and MP3...

This 3.5mm Audio Cable connects portable audio equipment with mini-stereo jacks, including portable CD players, MP3 players, CD sound cards, and multimedia speakers.

Mono cable:

amazon.com

Amazon.com: Patch Cables, 5 Pack by Synthrotek - 6 inch, purple 3.5mm 1/8 inch...

Jonny · 2019-03-16T16:13:57.865Z

Eek, well TRRS isn’t right. It should be TRS. I think those TRRS cables are for headphones with microphones? I thought you meant the black ring on the cable but ring being the metal part, so pardon the confusion.

Pick up a standard stereo cable - TRS and you should be fine as long as the i2c connectors line up.

okyeron · 2019-03-16T16:21:23.726Z

I think this is the “interrupts” problem we’re debugging. Midi crashes after a bit when in Leader mode. There’s a test firmware which seems to fix it (for me)

Could you test with your setup as is? does i2c continue to work as expected? (Even when midi has become non responsive).

Cable is probably not the issue here

rklem · 2019-03-16T17:23:02.435Z

Right, looks like it wasn’t the cable (alone). I just got a proper short stereo cable (TRS), but it didn’t change anything. The 16n test page is still crashing as soon as I power up my modular rack.

And no, i2c doesn’t seem to work. The sc.cv unit in the ER-301 doesn’t respond to 16n fader movements. Maybe there’s something wrong with my TXb -> ER-301 connection. I followed the instructions and made a reversed cable for my ER-301 rev7 (SDL and SDA swapped), but I’ll double check the connections. Perhaps there’s something wrong.

bpcmusic · 2019-03-16T17:59:42.573Z

Do you have the proper firmware installed on your 16n (LEADER/MASTER version)? Double check you have done the mods that are appropriate to your version of the ER-301.

http://wiki.orthogonaldevices.com/index.php/ER-301/Teletype_Integration#Required_Hardware_Connections

rklem · 2019-03-16T19:22:48.835Z

The firmware is from the 1.32 branch, set to leader/master.

I double checked the connections between ER-301 and TXb: looks like it should be.

I’m a little clueless now. The only thing I could re-check is the ER-301 i2c mod, perhaps there’s something wrong with that.

Another thing I could try is to power the TXb? Could that damage anything?

bpcmusic · 2019-03-16T19:25:05.312Z

rklem:

Another thing I could try is to power the TXb?

Ah-ha! Without the Teletype on the bus, you need the “pull-up” that the TXb provides when powered.

Turn everything off, plug the TXb in, and then turn things back on.

rklem · 2019-03-16T20:06:04.839Z

Just to make sure: there are 10k pull up resistors in the 16n. Even then I need to power the TXb?

okyeron · 2019-03-16T20:57:06.839Z

that was my next question - in that case I think you should be OK with the txb unpowered.

Gonna pm you something to test.

rklem · 2019-03-16T21:14:11.015Z

Yes, that’s what I read, but I just powered the TXb – and this did the trick! It’s working now!

Thanks a lot @Jonny, @bpcmusic and @okyeron for your help!

(Still curious to learn why powering the TXb solved the problem.)