Telex: Teletype expanders


#903

Thanks, yeah that’s what I’ve been trying to do (on a Mac), but getting a vague error in FPE. Haven’t had time to dig into whether it’s a common problem, or try it on a PC. Frustrating! :slightly_smiling_face:


#905

I’ve always been using Front Panel Designer with OSX, never had an issue…
The only issue I have is with my design abilities!
:smile:

While I’m thinking about it, there is one thing I have to do after the export from Inkscape (or, to put it differently, before importing the HPGL files to FPD) : add the “.plt” extension to the HPGL files (surprisingly, Inkscape doesn’t do it).

I hope you get out of frustration!
:slightly_smiling_face:


#906

Thanks again for reporting this and sending the video. It was super-helpful in me isolating the issue. I also used my ER-301 and O’Tool to monitor. That was a helpful tip (re: ER-301) as well. :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

I was able to replicate for envelopes where the attack phase was less than 1 second. I was able to trace it to a stupid counting bug. Added a “+1” and all was good with the world. Sorry. Sigh.


ANNOUNCING NEW BETA TELEX FIRMWARE

TELEXi:

  • No Changes

TELEXo:

  • Refactoring of codebase to support some Future Fun Firmware1. For those hacking around, the development switch is now in the “defines.h” file.

  • Repaired the “Envelopes Sometimes Dip Below Zero Due to a Stupid Counting Thing” error from above. Now, envelopes always end at their origin (and hit their peak) regardless of the attack and decay times.

  • CV LEDs now always represent an envelope’s peak brightness; this used to sometimes not get bright enough for fast envelopes - esp with log curves.

  • Wavetableapalooza: the TXo running with the Teensy 3.2 now has 45 different waveforms. You can access them with the TO.OSC.WAVE parameter, which now increments waveforms every 100 steps. For example: 0 = SINE, 100 = TRIANGLE, 200 = SAW, 300 = SQUARE, …, 4500 = RANDOM/NOISE. Waveforms are taken from the AdventureKid free waveforms pack. I arbitrarily selected a handful for now; this may change in the future.

Go grab it here: https://github.com/bpcmusic/telex/releases/tag/v.020


1 The “Future Fun Firmware” mentioned above is the support of the Teensy 3.6 on the TXo’s hardware. I’ll be posting a much longer bit about this in the future. Don’t go and grab a 3.6 just yet; be patient until I’ve got all of the details worked out. It is a more complex than just slapping the new processor on. :slight_smile:

I am, however, very close and very confident that the upgrade will work. For example, here is a video of the TXo running with the Teensy 3.6. It is scanning through the wavetables that are supported in 3.6 mode - which in this demo is 327.

BTW: for the 3.6, sampling rate is now set to 24k with interpolation active all of the time (interpolation turns off if you start doing any complex interactions on the TXo running a Teensy 3.2; its sample rate is set at 15.625k).


#907

Announcing TELEX Firmware Release v.021 Beta

A little update with minor improvements for both modules.

TELEXi:

  • Additional smoothing for potentiometers vs. CV input jacks. The result is that the pots will be smoother and settle at a position. The CV values will continue to be super-responsive and may “twitter” a bit between values.

TELEXo:

  • Enhanced the Envelope Generator to handle changes in peak voltage and offset during an active envelope.

Download the Release from GitHub


#908

TELEX Pre-Production MASSIVE Multi-Part Update

A lot of stuff to parse below. Hope this is the best way to share with everyone. To those that hate long posts, sorry. :slight_smile:

I’ve been banking up a whole bunch of stuff over the last several months. I’m going to officially dump it on you all at once.

What is Happening with the Expanders?

I’m currently working on a third run of the TXo output expander. I will also be making a small number of TXi input expanders. All of the parts for this run have arrived and I’m about to start the production process.

The units will be made available in the store when all are built, tested, and ready for delivery. That means that we are still a ways away from these being made available. If you are interested and want to be notified when they are ready to go, please click on the “Express Interest” button up at my store.

Additionally, I’ve added product variants for the expanders so that those who are DIY-inclined can order panel and PCB sets. Select the “Panel and PCB Set” from the type dropdown to register your interest. These should be packaged and ready to go in a few weeks.

What is a TELEXo+??

I’ve finished the R+D work on a supercharged version of the TXo that swaps out the Teensy 3.2 for a Teensy 3.6 and adds some interesting capability. The module stays the same (so you’ll need a TXo to start with) - we’re just upgrading the processor.

  • Improved Sampling Rate - increased to 25kHz from the TXo’s 15.625kHz
  • Improved Quality when Combining Features with Oscillation - the stock TXo disables interpolation if more than one advanced feature is used at a time for a CV output (envelopes, wave morphing, pitch slew, etc). The TXo+ always uses interpolation which increases the accuracy and lowers distortion.
  • More Morphing Wavetables - the TXo+ has 327 different waveforms on board (up from the TXo’s 45).
  • Future Advanced Features Only Supported by the TXo+

Now, you can’t just go and grab a Teensy 3.6 to make this happen. Due to some peculiar quirks of the 3.6, it needs a tiny daughterboard to be soldered underneath in order to ensure that the processor boots when connected to Eurorack power-supplies. It will also need to be outfitted with the same precision headers as your existing Teensy so that it mates properly with the module.

I’m going to make an upgrade available at my store that will include a Teensy 3.6 outfitted with the proper headers, the daughterboard, and the latest firmware at the time of shipping.

Price is still up in the air - I’ve put a ballpark on the site for now. Register your interest at the URL below by clicking the “EXPRESS INTEREST” button. I will most likely be making these available when the current run of TXo is complete.

What is this TXff thing you made??

With the enhanced sampling rate of the TXo+, I wanted to put a little module together that cleaned up some of the aliasing that @Leverkusen pointed out above. This is so that we can get pristine sine-waves out of the unit at some reasonably-high frequencies.

The TXff is a little 2HP module that has a a set of four, three-pole filters that do a post-DAC scrub on the output of the TXo+ (augmenting the unit’s internal 1-pole filter with a cutoff of around 12kHz). Jacks are oriented so that the four CV outputs of your TXo can be patched to four adjacent inputs; the outputs are at the top of the module.

Here is a comparison of the RAW signal out of a TXo+ (green) and the filtered output of that same signal processed by the TXff (red):

Now, I want to be pretty clear on this, the TXo/TXo+ will still have lots of aliasing if you use waveforms other than the sine wave. The filter helps with these, but much of the aliasing is happening in software (due to the sampling rate of the unit) and cannot be corrected after the output.

That means that this is really a luxury module for those that care about using the sine waves at audio rates in circumstances that would benefit from the cleaner signal. You most likely don’t need it.

I’m planning to do some band-limiting tests on the SAW, SQUARE, and TRIANGLE waveforms for the TXo+. If it works out - and I’m pretty confident that they will - then they should also be enhanced by the TXff. At that point, the TXo+ with the TXff will give you four pretty solid oscillators for the primitive waveforms. I just want to be clear that this is still in R&D.

If you are interested, go and let me know up in my store by clicking on the “Express Interest” button. These will be available after the completion of the TXo build - but I’ll be using the interest check here to decide on final pricing and order quantities.

What is the TXb?

The TXb is the third module I had planned when I set out to do these expanders a few years ago (you can see early shots of it way up at the top of this thread). In final form, it is a remix of the open-source monome “tt-busboard” in 2HP with a pair of stereo 3.5mm i2c jacks on the faceplate. These jacks make it possible to connect multiple TXb units together or to connect to the forthcoming 16n fader bank over i2c. It is also handy for folks who don’t have the depth in their case to support the existing busboard mounted to the back of their Teletype.

Here it is with a black prototype panel next to a Teletype (final panel will match the material and style of the TELEX):

Now, you will need to be mindful to have only a single busboard connected to power. You will also need to keep your cable runs as short as possible. Long stereo i2c cables will cause the bus to fail and your Teletype to lock up. Finally, you will only want to carefully make connections when things are powered off.

If you are interested, express interest up at the store. I’ll be building these folks after my TXo run is complete.

Also, I’ve had enough requests for the type of jumper cables that I shipped with the TELEX that I’ve made them available up at the store as well.

I’ve also put up a version of the i2c cables for the ER-301 and Matrixarchate that swap the order of the clock and signal pins:

What is the TXn?

I also did a 2HP remix of @billyhologram’s amazing 7 input panning mixer “nearness". I’m planning a run using the same satin aluminum, knurled nuts, and panel treatment as the TELEX. If you are interested, head up to the store to express it:

Find out more about nearness (and the awesome 3HP canonical version) here:


Here is a family picture of the prototypes; the final versions will have panels that match the TELEX:


If you made it this far in the post, I’m impressed. Sorry to dump it on you all at once. :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

If any of what I talked about above interests you, head on over to the bpcmusic store and click the “Express Interest” button to let me know. This will help in planning, setting of final pricing, and the ordering of parts. I plan to do that while I’m building the TXo so that I can move on to these units immediately afterwards.

Thanks for all the support!!


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#909

I’ve registered interest on your site :slight_smile:
Very cool! Lots of teensy stuff around but I’ve never built anything with a 3.6
I don’t even own a teletype (yet) but was looking at getting boards made just yesterday for these, to hack for use as stand alone i2c expanders for Ansible and JF. Teletype probably on the horizon though :smile:


#910

Nice! Definitely going to pick up a bunch of these!

As a side note, I think you got a bit confused with metric units on the cables. 4 inches ~= 10 cm, not mm. Those would be some really short cables :smiley:


#911

oops! had it proper in the description - just so used to typing mm for everything else. thanks for the heads up!!


#912

Wow, these are great news! Everything looks really beautiful and will be a great step forward for the monome environment. I am excited to see what the the new teensy is capable of. Thank you so much for your endeavors!

:heart_eyes:

I would love to upgrade my TXo (might have to build a second one too) and extend it with the filter and the panner - will there be a panel/pcb option for those too? I probably could get the PCB’s from OSHpark but It would be great to have the panels matching the other modules and they do look so very nice.

Also I did not fully understand if you are planning to release everything at once so that it would be possible to combine purchases for oversea shipping.


#913

@bpcmusic, what is the longest cable that is reliable to connect TXb’s? On your store page it seems to suggest 3.5mm for the length…

Connections should be kept as short as possible using high-quality cabling (less than 3.5mm).


#914

It really depends on your bus, the number of devices, and the accumulated length of the cables used to connect them. I wish there was a formula that I could share. I’ve taken the conservative approach myself and planned around using the shortest cables possible.

Unfortunately, it is a trial and error kind of situation. I usually put a little patch together when I change configuration with a bunch of reads and writes and let it burn in to see if there are any stability issues.

@scanner_darkly just received a couple of beta TXo units for testing; it will be interesting to see what he learns in his environment. Perhaps he will share details after he has had a chance to experiment. :wink:

For cables, I’ve been using these striped ones - which helps to differentiate them from the cables that I use to patch:

TXb to TXb:

16n to TXb:

And, to be fun, I’ve matched my USB runs with this:

So far, they have all been very reliable.


#915

Good question. These 2HP builds are tricky in that the tolerances around part alignment and board connection become very important. I’ve had to 3D print and lasercut a whole bunch of little jigs in order to get them to assemble properly.

The SMD is small but manageable. (603 parts with no big ICs or nasty DACs.) It is the assembly that, frankly, kinda sucks. Jacks have to be perfectly straight. Angled headers have to be at 90 degrees. Jacks need a .2mm gap with the board. Headers have to be trimmed sub-surface. If you don’t, it won’t fit in 2HP or it will fault out.

So - it depends on what you are up for. I’m not planning to do any detailed build guides for them and I really wasn’t planning on releasing them in the store. Really, it was in order to spare people the pain. :wink:

However, if folks want to build them, I’d be happy to supply PCBs and Panels when they are on site. :slight_smile:


#916

My current plan:

  • TX Panels & PCBs - when the TXi stuff arrives
  • Assembled TXo and a small number of TXi - when I’m done building the TXo
  • TXo+ Upgrades - with and just after the TXo
  • TXb, TXn, and TXff - in batches after the TXo are complete

I sequence work on like things together to keep my process efficient. Depending on the interest level on things, I may be able to get some help and pull in the timeframes.

I would be happy to hold stuff back in order to combine shipments; but we can handle that on an individual case basis.


#917

Just expressed massive interest :heart: … Have a Teletype on the way, planning my rack with a TELEX bundle plus one more TELEXo expander… can’t wait till they are ready!


#918

…and another wish comes true.

Spent the day building a pair of both the i and the o. Smooth build and both work flawlessly. Thanks again @bpcmusic for the hard work of bringing this to life.

Here are the .fpd files of the two super-minimal panels I had built at FPE. Again, amazing quality of materials. Really happy. Might be of use to someone else.



#919

It is super-fantastic to see the output of your hard work. They look wonderful!! :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Glad it went so smoothly!!!

Interesting script you have going on there. :wink: :wink:


#922

Thanks for posting these fpd files, @burn !:slightly_smiling_face:


#923

MicroUpdate: Build

The build is going well. I’ve organized, counted, marked, and sorted all of the parts into the board and side that they go on. All of the headers have been cut and trimmed. All of the power cables cut, assembled, and tested. My next step is to start the SMD on the TXo.

Demand for the TXi is higher than expected. I have more parts and boards on the way to satisfy interest (for built and DIY). I will get to this after the TXo portion of the build-out.

MicroUpdate: TXo+ Firmware Update with TXff

I had time away from the workbench last week to finish up some of the final firmware work for the TXo+. I hinted at above exploring band limiting some of the primitive waveforms (saw and square using the PolyBlep technique) and optimizing the generation of some (saw and triangle) when the TXo firmware is running on the Teensy 3.6.

The results are a dramatic improvement and significantly reduce the aliasing the unit produces with these waveforms (especially when filtered through the TXff). I’ve put together a video torture test where you can listen to the various waveforms hand-cycled up and down in pitch; this exposes the aliasing as it moves in a direction counter to the pitch movement.

Here are some shots of the difference in the spectrograms between the unmodified and the filtered + optimized + band limited. The O’Tool+ was set to 8x magnification to accentuate the aliasing. Left is the TXo+ running without any waveform optimization or band limiting; the right is the TXo+ passed through the TXff and with band limiting and waveform optimizations enabled.

sine_comparison

triangle_comparison

(Shot the right image in the morning after some final optimization of the triangle wave; with daylight the blue background seems to have disappeared. Strange.)

sawtooth_comparison

square_comparison


Now, the TXo+ is never going to compete with a dedicated analog or digital oscillator. It was never designed to do this. It is cool, however, that with the improved horsepower of the Teensy 3.6 and some additional filtering provided by the TXff we can see such improvements in quality. It has certainly been a fun exploration.


#924

Thank you for sharing the process - it is fun to follow and there is a lot to learn!

:slightly_smiling_face::+1:


#925

One of each, please, no tomatoes and extra onions–to go. :heart_eyes:

Edit: just kidding, I want three of the Teensy 3.6 thingies :smiley: