#479

There’s also the verbos multi delay processor. It isn’t exactly a BBD but it takes that as its starting place along with the Ursa Major Space Station. It is really useful as a centre piece of a system and has a lot of self patching possibilities.

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#480

Although I expect the focus here is on analogue BBD, which is absolutely fair enough, still I’ll mention the Mungo c1 (a module with a digital BBD mode) for posterity and because I love it. Although it requires a dry/wet patch to obtain the best BBD effects, on top of requiring a feedback patch to work as a delay at all, it sounds beautiful and operates both within and beyond familiar analogue ranges.

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#481

Hey there @Voiron27 and @Net, thanks for your thoughts, really appreciate it.

Thinking probably about the Sarajewo as longer times would be handy but I also use the WMD Synchrodyne all the time and am really interested in using the PLL clocks from that with the BBD clock input on the Doepfer BBD.

Having said that, two fine delays here, the Verbos is interesting with it’s outs and the Mungo Modules are classics. Thanks for the input. :mountain:

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#482

Sightly off topic, I own A-188-2, the BBD sounds are really crazy. The clock noise is apparent in most setting. I treat it as a weird stuff generator, very fun and the sound is distinctive.

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#483

Hey there @Vinc, that’s for the info, do you use a filter often for noise tracking? Have you used the clock input much? Cheers :mountain:

#484

I sometimes send the wet signal to outboard effect chain (a graphical EQ in stack of Boss micro racks) for this task, but most of the time I’m just embrace what it is. You can zero the ‘delay’ amount and CV/ or manually set it to sing.

I do clock in very often. I would patch the audio source, covert the audio signal to square way by use of other modules (A-196 PLL) and feed it to audio in at the same time, it is really chaotic fun.

It’s the kind of modules that do nothing but do great things at the same times, really hard to explain. Definitely not serve the purpose on delay.

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#485

Hi there @vinc, that is really interesting, it is exactly the kind of patches I have been hoping to work on. Do you have any kind of example of this? Would be great to ear, cheers! :mountain:

#486

If you would want short delays and relatively precise and clean, the CG Products Delay is really highly recommended but since you mention the Sarajewo I guess your are going for a longer kind of delay for which I am personally not sure if I would look for BBDs, they are lovely but more lofi most of the time.

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#487

Oooo that is nice. I had my eyes locked on the Sarajewo considering how clean it sounds but from the sound examples this seems lovely.

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#488

You can get slightly longer delay stuff by adding a cv to the time inputs but in general it is more a sound generator than a straightforward delay I would say, probably one of the best to get karplus strong sounds.

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#489

Sure, my pleasure! I’m out of town now, will be back to my studio in March then I will do it!

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#490

Hey so I think I am going to go for the Doepfer, as lovely as the Sarajewo looks I am looking for something more open, more like a distortion/bit crusher in a way so I think that is the one:) :mountain:

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#491

Just ordered one of these. The 16 sec. delay pedal was a staple for Charlie Cohen for his Buchla easel. This is that in a euro format.

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#492

another 188-1 4096 owner here. it does get nice and crunchy but i will say that a low pass filter is pretty much required to get anything near a ‘long’ delay line without the ice pick of the clock bleeding through. the steeper the better (48dB is kinda where its at, tbh)

also, keep an eye out for ones that have new panels. mine has the old misprinted one and it still throws me for a loop any time i want to get wild with the feedback section.

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#493

Delay llama.

Amazing stuff

#494

Curious about the panel, what is misprinted? Only know them as they are on the webpage right now.

#495

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not a bunch still floating around, but you never know - just in case someone buys a used one.

the newer one has the correct normalizations printed as specified by the schematic/circuit layout, so it’s ‘easier’ to make sense of how the bbd out + polarity works.

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#496

The Doepfer A-188-1 4096 was one of my first modules, a decade ago. I found tracking the clock noise with a LPF nearly impossible, though I could dial it out for a patch without any further knob-twiddling.

One interesting thing about the Doepfer BBDs is that you can buy ICs from 128-4096 stages for a couple bucks each and swap them in and out with minimal calibration.

But that clock noise, urgh.

#497

I found it much easier to clean up clock noise with plugins than an LPF. A graphical EQ with a steep notch filter, or even an automatic noise reduction plugin like Brusfri, does pretty well.

Of course that assumes a steady clock rate and no modulation…

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#498

Ok here is the follow up…

I received the delay and began it test it.
analysis…

  1. Blend knob is not even vaguely useful it’s either fully off or into the delay without any sort of actual blend.
  2. Delay itself is somehow a major volume loss event. I have used the actual 16sec delay from EHX and it is not like this at all. Even with a input that is attenuated it is very distorted and frankly sounds like a bad pt2399 - over all the gain staging is not good and I would not recommend. I returned it.