nattog
500
Has anyone got any suggestions as to what to put in the delay out / feedback in chain on the bugbrand pt delay? Never really got any meaningful results from messing around with it. Are there other delays that use this functionality to control/process the signal further?
oot
501
I havenāt used the Bugbrand delay in particular but a few effects that can be fun to put in a delay feedback path are reverb, filters, distortion or EQ.
Reverb has a nice effect in that it sort of blurs the distinction between delay and reverb. The wet signal gets a nice diffusion to it and each repeat becomes further and further away, until itās all a blur like using just the reverb would be.
A low pass filter will make the delay sound darker, BBDās already include these to hide the clock noise. It makes the repeats sit back and lets the ear focus on the dry sound more.
High pass also has this effect of bringing the repeats into the background, but it muddies the low end less and makes them sound thin (a sound I personally really like).
If you use resonance itās very likely going to self-oscillate at the cut-off point in a really harsh way but if you modulate the filter it will be less likely to pick up a frequency to oscillate at, and it creates a cool phasing sound.
Distortion can very easily make it self-oscillate but if you dial it down to very subtle it can give you some nice dirt that can give the effect of the repeats fading back into noise. Leaning into the self-oscillation though, distortion can bring out nice, creepy ambiences, especially combined with reverb or pretty much any other effect.
EQ works like filtering but itās less extreme, which is a lot more useful when youāre working with feedback. For each repeat the filtering will apply two-fold so it gets extreme fast anyway. You can really sculpt a delay with EQ, for example I like turning down the lows and highs so itās just mids. Another useful way is removing the frequency thatās sort of the ābodyā of the original sound, so it doesnāt interfere with it or make it muddy.
Also changing the EQ over time in very obvious ways is really good for dubby sounds.
Thereās tons more things you can do but these are the obvious ones to me to try.
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mateo
502
Havenāt used the bugbrand delay but modulated bandpass filters are my favourite thing to put in delay feedback loops!
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nattog
503
Thanks for the tips - clearly loads of room for exploring here! The bugbrand has an inbuilt high + low cut directly after the delay so I make good use of that, but iāll definitely be exploring these recs further. Iād only really gotten massive self-oscillations from prior attempts.
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OhWell
505
Any clue about whether Age does anything in Quartz mode?
Lovely update ā phaser is especially yummmmmy! Thanks for the pointer!
In Past and Present eras, Age does seem to do some filtering, post-delay I think. Maybe itās also doing it in Future but more subtly. I didnāt really explore everything fully, I got caught up in a lovely drone in Quartz mode for a while before switching to PhaserDDL.
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not sure if this is really the right thread for this sort of question but i was wondering if anyone here has enough experience using the disting mk4 in the clockable SD delay mode to help me troubleshoot it a bit? just got the disting recently and am having some trouble using this mode, which is kind of bumming me out since i had purchased it specifically to make long sound on sound loops.
iām getting what sounds like ground loop hum building up in the delay line over time, getting louder and louder until it starts to clip after a while, even with the feedback set to 100%. that being said though, if i remove the cable from the input jack, the hum goes away completely. i guess iām wondering if this is ānormalā behavior for this mode or if itās coming from somewhere else in my system, etcā¦ also worth noting iām on the latest firmware for the module with a properly specād/formatted sd card and havenāt had issues with noise in any of the other modes iāve tried so far.
any help would be appreciated, and if this sort of post is inappropriate for this thread iād be happy to relocate it. thanks!
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Iāve never tried that with my Disting, though delays do tend to amplify any noise going in after a few times around. My case is in disarray. So Iām not sure Iām able to try to replicate any time soon. You can try pulling modules out of your case until you find the noise source, or you can try filtering out the problem frequency before your signal reaches the input jack. Had to do that second one to filter out wind noise from a mic during an outdoor performance.
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might pull modules out soon if i get the chance, itās one of the only things i havenāt tried yet. still havenāt had any luck. starting to wonder if my Meanwell power adapter might be the culprit
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Hope you manage to figure it out. Noise issues can be tough to sort out. Putting noisy modules closer to ground helps. Sometimes putting digital modules on one power bus and analog modules on another makes a big difference. Iāll try to find some time tonight to check out the K6 algorithm on my Disting.
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Seems as good a place to ask as anywhere else - can anyone recommend a good tape delay script? With the size of the shield, Iām thinking of using it on a send when playing live, and it wonāt take up the space my other toys do!
chlb
513
Hello, delay people! 
I am shopping for a delay unit for my setup and at the moment I am looking at two pedals: Erica Synths Zen Delay and JAM Pedals Delay Llama Extreme.
Gear likely to get used with the delay unit:
- Norns Shield
- Korg Monologue
- Moog DFAM
- Moog Subharmonicon
Some thoughts:
- Both have tap tempo
- Zen Delay can be synced via midi
- Delay Llama has an input for tap tempo, but not sure if you can sync it via midi/CV
- Zen Delay also has a filter, but it comes with a price tag
Anyone had a chance to try both? Are there any other units I should consider? Hologram Electronics makes Microcosm that has delay, reverb and looper, but itās currently sold out with pre-orders for next batch.
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Was the Empress Echosystem ever a consideration? It gives you two independent delays as series, parallel, etc, a tonne of algorithms, reverb, cabinet simulations, and a looper if you want. Sorry if I confused you more, I just decided Iāll never sell mine.
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chlb
515
Well, it is now! It might do more stuff than I ever need, but I like the idea of being able to run two independent delays with just one unit since most of my sources are mono. I browsed through the manual and looks like it is fully midi controllable as well. Thanks for the tip!
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Sure thing, you can CV it as well. The looper was later firmware add on so youād need to boot up in a part way. Have fun researching.
Blit
517
how about a e520 hyperion processor in a 4ms pod? It can cover all your delay needs + tons more
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I traded for a couple Unicord Stage DE-1 BBD delays a long time ago, sold the one that was stock and kept the one that someone had modded incompetently. Eventually fixed it up, so no it works like stock except the delay time potentiometer is a much higher value than it should be, so it hits the maximum stock delay time at about 9:00, and above that it turns into the best underclocked BBD mess Iāve ever heard, delay times over 2 seconds on a chip meant to top off at around 300ms. Analog sample rate reduction. I also added a switch to toggle between two different capacitors in the delay lineās lowpass filter, so at short delay times itās stock but at the long, underclocked times I can roll of a lot more high end to get the clock bleed under control.
On top of that, if you run an instrument into the low gain input, turn on the output pad and crank it, itās a really nice sounding distortion box.
Only downside is itās a completely awkward form factor meant for sitting on top of an amp or organ or something.
Runner up is an RE-150 Space Echo I got for a shamefully low price a long time ago because it was so beat up, but I mostly repaired it and it sounds really good when itās working, which is about 85% of the time. If it worked 100% of the time it would easily be the best.
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I would love to hear this - that description places it very much in my sonic wheelhouse!
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chlb
520
I almost went with the Empress, but in the end decided on GFI Specular Tempus. The reverb side is just so nice. Would not have found this unit without your tip, so thanks to you!
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