I use mainly the Eventide Space with my modular synth. One knob, one function. Very clearly laid out, easy to tweak on the spot. Tons of presets that are very good starting points for customizing sounds. It’s quite an instrument in itself. I really love the quality of the sound. You can adjust the in/out levels as well. When working with the Music Easel, I prefer the Strymon Blue Sky: straightforward, easy to use.
Sometimes the built-in spring reverb is ace.
Reverb is a very personal thing I think. Hope it helps.

“User IRs supported for convolution experimentation and space/speaker modeling”

But I just coincidentally snagged a c0 today :sweat_smile: I’m looking forward to baking some IRs from ridiculous modular patches!

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When you say true stereo, would you expect that a signal that is 100% panned right would have zero reverberation coming out the left channel?

Yes, or “dual mono.” I know there is some confusion over terminology in this regard. Normally I wouldn’t care much with most of my instruments (guitar, Moog, etc.), but with the Rev2, the stereo field is really essential to the quality of the sounds I’m getting (spreading oscillators, etc.), and I think I might get something I prefer with a reverb that preserves any incoming stereo information with both the dry and wet signals.

This discussion reminds me that I need to dig out my old Spirit Canyon IR CD’s - as well as something that will read a CD. It’s been a while, but IIRC there was some serious craziness in there.

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A stereo reverb will correctly cross information between the right and left channels. A dual mono reverb treats both channels as separate. The rationale is simple - reverb was originally intended to spatially locate a sound - that is to say, to put it in an environment. If a sound is in stereo, it is itself spatialized with respect to the listener - thus the two channels are coherent with respect to each other and have a combined “meaning” if you will. Thus, the reverberation should take that into account as if the spatialized sound were itself coming from a single source somewhere in the notional environment, thus both channels contain relevant information to integrate into the greater whole, and will affect each other.

Dual mono is not stereo - it’s just two channels being processed more or less simultaneously, thus none of these presumptions apply.

Eventide are one of the few to really comprehend this, and I love the way their stereo reverbs do, in all cases I can recall, correctly cross-connect the two channels’ reverb response, but not the original dry signals. IMO, this is the “right way” to do it, but not all reverb units do - many (most?) sum the inputs to mono before applying reverb (sometimes just returning that mono wet reverb on both of the two-channel dry signal outputs), some are really just dual mono under the hood.

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Would you happen to know if the Otto Bam is a culprit of this?

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“true stereo” :

 in-L ---+-> taps-L-L --> out-L	
 	 |  	     	       
       	 +-> taps-L-R --> out-R       
       	       	       	       
 
 in-R ---+-> taps-R-L --> out-L	
 	 |  	       	       
       	 +-> taps-R-R --> out-R       
       	       	       	       
		  

“dual mono”:

 in-L --> taps-L --> out-L    

 in-R --> taps-R --> out-R
		  

or maybe


		  

in-L --|    |--> taps-L --> out-L       
       +----+                		
in-R---|    |--> taps-R --> out-R       			

in other words, ‘true stereo’ means each input channel gets a different set of stereo early reflections (/IRs/whatever.)

i believe BAM has true stereo modes in the Lexicon tradition.

no. i’d expect it to “bounce” off of the far wall in the virtual space, modeled by (e.g.) a particular set of early reflection tap timings. these would be similar but different for each “far wall” path. the later reverberations might feed into each other too.

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Makes a lot of sense, that’s one of the better explanations I’ve heard for sure! Lots of misinformation and miscommunication on this subject on the internet, took me a minute in my research to figure out terminology and how people were using it differently. Thanks for the thoughts on Eventide, definitely giving that H9 a good look.

Also super helpful, what a beautiful resource this forum is.

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If you and studiodc want to hear a reverb that does true stereo extremely well, check out VSS4 from TC 4000 or Relab VSR S24, essentially reverse engineered algorithms from the TC 6000. The rooms are uncanny in terms of the spatialization and panned placement you discuss. But there is also front and rear placement for the ER modeling. When I first heard it on an acoustic source with unflattering recorded reflections I was completely blown away.

The ER start/stop control allows one to blend the recorded and modeled rooms to the point where it’s not just cushioning but the character of the recorded reflections seem to change, with full spatialization in both that portion and tail. The Bricasti makes similar if not greater leaps but there is no plugin and the rich color is quite different.

Exponential Audio Nimbus is another plugin reverb that does dense early reflections and transparent true stereo very well. That and R4 are more a direct complement to and evolution from Lexicon, given that Michael Carnes developed PCM96.

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New Tasty Chips ECR-1 Convolution reverb.

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Hey everyone, I came across this today while traversing YouTube. Pretty cool!

:slight_smile:

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Talking of stereo reverbs (and other effects), it seems like this might be a nice cheap option:

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I got a used Quadraverb 2 unit a while back and I was quite surprised by how modular the system is.
Although the quality of some of the effects are questionable, I still think this unit does have some interesting features (such as being able to route signals anywhere, load different dsp modules, and modulate things via MIDI CC) that can lead to more experimental and creative uses.

Does anybody else still has and uses a Quadraverb 2 and also have some custom sysex files to share?

I haven’t put a lot of time into my unit as I hoped because of the bad backlight in my unit but here’s a couple of the ones I’ve created so far:

IF_QV2 Presets.zip (5.6 KB)

(please be careful and make sure to backup all your presets before sending these)

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aaltoverb, absolutely

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(Potenitally) double spring reverb from Erica in the Black series - with built-in compressor and more:

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Pretty solid rundown of the various delay algorithms and I think I finally understand what the erbe-verb does!

I have owned a total of three Erbe Verbs, 2 of which at the same time.I find this module being one of the most inspiring hands on sound designing devices I ever came across.

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