#42

The swarm or swelling of all the individual tiny delays is such a different feel from most reverbs. It’s a very inspirational box. I love earthquaker - I’ve got 5 of them and they all have that creativity / inspiration thing to them. Sound awesome on guitar / bass / drum machine.

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#43

Synthrotek is also releasing a new reverb module! Will be interesting to hear how it sounds.

#44

This is the honest reason why I’ve stayed away from reverb pedals (as a guitarist, even). I don’t want to spend $200+ on something so limited compared to my plugins. My ideal would be a module that could run Convolution as Max device - maybe the Rebel Tech Owl can do this…

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#45

@kisielk @bradfromraleigh

6 one, half dozen the other. One trick pony pedals, racks, modules can be awesome to have to always be at the ready with hardware sitting there to to turn on / off and tweak. Software can do so very much at more affordable costs - and you can add controllers to bring in the hardware knob / slider factor.

For me - I’m willing to fight the clutter and cables and power and all that to have hardware so I don’t have to fiddle with getting software plugins and the like to all work in the computer. For friends of mine - the last thing they want is $200 one trick ponies when a $200 plugin will do all of it and more - and no cable rats nest.

All is fair in love and music making. :slight_smile:

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#46

Has anyone had a chance to try the Audio Damage Eos module? I’ve been looking at it for a while and am curious how it would work as a stand-in for my Erbe-Verb to save some hp…

#47

You would save 6 HP, but the Eos has no attenuation on any of the CV inputs. It seems adding a module to provide attenuation would cancel any space savings? The ErbeVerb also has more parameters under CV control, has the CV out, etc.

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#48

That’s a good point. I hadn’t thought about the attenuators.

#49

I had a chance to play with it a bit at Perfect Circuit a few weeks ago.

I was quite looking forward to it in hopes of finding a module that produced something like a more natural reverb than the Erbe-Verb.

It does that.

As DMR pointed out, the MN module has more control options, and thus lends itself a bit more to use as an instrument, and even sound source. I don’t actually think it sounds amazingly good as a ‘natural’ reverb, but that’s entirely not the point of it I think.

The EOS functions better as something approaching a ‘natural’ reverb; more an effect than a sound source or instrument, which isn’t to say you can’t do some of that with it too, but that’s not its strength.

As I may have conveyed in this thread earlier, I have fairly strong feelings about reverb (and its abuse, by legions of people), and the EOS is precisely the kind of device that will have people giggling deliriously in to the farthest reaches of space as their reverb tails spin off in to oblivion, measured roughly in geologic time spans.

That’s not for me.

Its plates and shorter sounds are very nice, but I wanted so much more of that, and other types of ‘realistic’ spaces, rooms, ambiences, etc., and it just doesn’t have those. For the HP and price, it’s not worth it to me, but for others, who might have different needs, it could be the new benchmark in Euro reverbs.

As far as I go, I ended up buying a very inexpensive 3hp Erica Pico, with the FV-1 chip, and while it’s very limited, it does enough for quick, simple, unobtrusive delay and basic reverb effect, and sounds surprisingly good; better even than the Black Hole DSP module.

However, since I’ve descended in to my own personal black hole of DIY, I’m building a Dervish soon; already have all the bits. It uses the same chip, but algorithms can be custom programmed, works in stereo, has sync, takes up slightly less space than the EOS, and is way, WAY less expensive.

Anyway, don’t let anything I’ve said dissuade you from checking out the EOS, or any of the other ones. This is intensely subjective stuff.

Yikes. Reverb TMI. Sorry.

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#50

This is perfect, thanks! Exactly the type of info I was looking for.

Given the comments I think I’ll stick with what I’ve got for now. I use my euro reverb much more as part of the instrument than as an effect.

For effect and production reverb I tend to add them to the recordings in Logic, which is just fine.

And I hear you about reverb abuse, not just in electronic music but in all recorded music in general.

#51

AFAIK, the Pico DSP has an EEPROM on the back that you can swap if you want to load your own programs.

I’m planning on buying 1 or 2 for that purpose.

(if you ever get the opportunity could you post a picture of the circuit board so I can confirm it does actually have the EEPROM…)

#52

You can’t swap the EEPROM in the Pico DSP but you can reprogram it :

(copy/pasted from muffwiggler, answer by someone from Erica Synths)

Q : Will it be possible to swap EEPROMs on the Pico DSP? I’d love to be able to put my own SpinFV1 programs on it.
A : No swapping, but you can reprogram the internal EEPROM if you want so as it’s not locked.
The legs for programming the ROM will be on all modules so reflashing it will be a pretty easy game.

I might actually be interested in this too, depending on what hardware is needed to reprogram the thing…

#53

I’m not sure you can reprogram the actual Spin FV-1… but I might be wrong. The Spin Semi website is down at the moment, but I can upload the datasheet if needed. It’s possible that there is a SMD EEPROM on the board instead. Would really love a picture of the board.

Flashing is done via 3.3V I2C, using the standard I2C EEPROM protocol.

#54

I’ll try to remember when I relocate it, something that theoretically will happen soon.

In the meantime, perhaps the Dervish docs might provide tangential assistance?

http://gbiswell.myzen.co.uk/dervish/Dervish/docs/Dervish_build_user_guide.pdf

#55

Schneidersladen has pretty good pictures of all their modules, it doesn’t look like there is a socketed EEPROM, but a programming header as oscillateur mentioned:

http://www.schneidersladen.de/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/6/160310_2.jpg

http://www.schneidersladen.de/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/6/160310_3.jpg

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#56

Nice one. I’d looked there before but they must have added them since I looked.

I reckon that chip just above the FV-1 is the EEPROM.

I wonder if the i2c header configuration is the same as used by the Monome modules.

#57

it’d be kinda neat to be able to reprogram it from a usb drive / teletype via i2c! teletype 3.0? :slight_smile: (and i just realized this might sound like a real possibility and not just a crazy idea - so adding a disclaimer that this is purely a crazy idea!)

#58

So, is the idea here that you’d reprogram the Pico DSP with any arbitrary DSP code?

#59

it’s FV-1 based, so it would have to be specific to that, and it would be just copying the binary. i think including the FV-1 toolchain into teletype firmware so you could actually write FV-1 code on teletype can truly qualify as crazy :slight_smile:

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#60

Sounds almost ER-301-like. Except text based. Could be a challenge!

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#61

it’ll be interesting to see this functionality in er-301. it won’t allow for live scripting though the way teletype does it - i don’t think there is anything in modular world right now that provides live DSP scripting? or even in a non modular world, computer excluded?