#62

Not live. OWL will let you upload custom DSP code in various forms (Max gen~ is an intriguing one) but it’s not something you’re likely to do mid-performance. Similar story with other modules that support Pd, SuperCollider, Faust, gen~ or other DSP environments.

I think ER-301 does a great job of giving you a lot of GUI handles for DSP processes. Not live scripting, but definitely useful for live control of parameters.

Live DSP scripting would make for a very interesting UX challenge! (have to admit, I’m a little skeptical)

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#63

It’s just assembly language, only 32 opcodes or so. The hardest bit by far is writing the parser. That’s not too bad on a desktop computer where you’ve got your pick of high level parser frameworks. On an embedded devices it’ll be a pain in the backside.

I’m also not sure what one needs to do to the FV-1 to get it to load the new program.

A much better idea (IMO) is to add an ESP32 (or wifi enabled ARM) to an existing Spin-FV1 device. I reckon you could code up a Javascript assembler and editor to run in the browser. Hit the go button to assemble and write to EEPROM.

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#64

i was mostly joking about using teletype to upload new programs to FV-1 - this falls more into the “neat” rather than “useful” category, but live DSP coding would be really cool.

if the goal is to be able to script effects this is already doable by using teletype/telex/VCAs and some effect modules.

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#65

Or Teletype + ER-301! :wink:

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#66

It’s fun conversation to have. But you’re right, it’s not something serious.

Anyway back on topic. Once I’ve got some brain space I’ll pickup a Pico DSP or 2 and burn some reverbs onto it.

#67

The Spin only supports eight programs: either the eight internal ones, or eight in the EEPROM. It has three dedicated pins for selecting which of the eight programs you’re using, and another for jumpering to internal/external memory - and that’s it. So I imagine you put them in slots and the selection pot lets you choose.

(The Dervish uses an Atmel controller to effectively swap out the eight external programs at any time).

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#68

You could always emulate the EEPROM via a microcontroller

#69

I too have been awaiting a mention of Blue Sky or Big Sky. Been thinking about picking up one of these for about 6 months. Haven’t yet pulled the trigger.

While having Verb in my Eurorack rig is attractive, i’m more of a set-and-forget type of guy trying to achieve a realistic sound with reverb. With physical space considerations (inside my rig) to contend with, an outboard / pedal type reverb is more attractive, personally, and these 2 sound amazing from the demos I’ve seen.

They look hella sexy too. :airplane: :kissing_closed_eyes:

If you haven’t, check out warmbinary on Insta - really cool visual and sonic aesthetic using the Big Sky.

#70

actually - I think the Dervish might be emulating an EEPROM, not “swapping things out” - my bad.

#71

Hello,

Just spotted this tread.
I made a PD patch for measuring Impulse responses with an optimised test signal to improve the quality of convolution result for actual reverbs (and more, but it gets very technical).

It was made in collaboration with the best PD programmer I have ever met, her name is Katja Vetter (actually check her website that is a treasure of DSP knowlege: http://www.katjaas.nl/home/home.html)

the tool can be downloaded from here: http://www.katjaas.nl/expochirp/expochirp.html

just another one if you are interested in measuring your own IRs.

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#72

Very nice! Thanks for info.
Regarding reverbs, I’m using dervish in eurorack as its fv-1 based and sounds pretty ok for the money.
Had strymon timeline which I sold, did sound pretty well but was not using it much. Best reverbs I’ve heard and do use are sonic core dsp based, they just sound amazing.

#73

Been using the FabFilter Pro-R recently and it is excellent.

#74

Anyone played with one of these yet?

I heard the Nyx at Moogfest (played by Richard Devine) and it sounded most excellent. The reverb was the highlight. I don’t need another desktop synth but could warrant the purchase for the reverb alone.

#75

No, I have heard demos of the Nyx and it sounds great, and the reverb is a highlight. I just clicked on Dreadbox’s link to Crazy Tube Circuits, who designed the reverb and it is also available as a pedal - https://crazytubecircuits.com/splash-mkiii
has anyone tried it?

#76

i use the valhalla plate on almost every one of my pieces once it’s dumped into the comp… gonna have to try the vintage verb.

i also use and * love * the fostex 3180… my friend and bandmate got one really cheap years ago and i ended up getting my own after using it on my voice so much. but it sounds great on anything really.

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i haven’t really had enough space to bring the fostex around with me lately and have been considering a blue sky. can’t decide if i’m better off sticking to adding reverb post or if hearing it while i’m working out a piece will steer me more in ways that i would like.

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#77

Crossing streams with this excellent thread (particularly thoughts on multi-tracking vs stereo mix):

Coming from a personal history of (shitty) three-piece bands, I’ve always approached FX like I’m working with stomp boxes rather than being able to think in terms of busses. The benefits of the latter are clear for post, but the stomp box approach is definitely in the DNA of how I’m playing and patching my small system (finally coming together after some false starts over the last year and a half).

My routing is limited to four open tracks in Ableton, pulling audio from different outs on the modular, with an instance of Valhalla Vintage Verb on each. Most of the time they’re 15-20% wet and rarely are they ever set to similar presets/parameters, but I find that some small tailored-to-the-voice resonance helps me better engage with the composition/patching process. It adds an element of breath that inspires and fuels discoveries. If I went all bus, I’d miss those happy accidents of turning one track completely wet and realizing it’s how that voice wanted to be all along.

I’ve been recording sketches and sessions in this way, with some key parameters on VVV mapped to a knobby MIDI controller to give it corporeality. Rather than ‘print’ the effects, I record the dry signal of each input with the automation data – this makes going back in and tweaking parameters non-destructive, while keeping the performative impulses intact for later evaluation.

That plugin in particular just makes sense with synths. I would kill for a pedal version, but then I’d immediately want four of them. ¯\(ツ)_/¯

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#78

downloaded the vintage verb demo today and within 5 minutes of using it I purchased the full version. dang!! i would love to see that quality of reverb integrated into the modular somehow…

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#79

Are you familiar with the Valhalla DSP cards for the ZDSP? Though I don’t think they necessarily sound the same since the ZDSP is a different beast from a PC: https://valhalladsp.com/2014/01/18/a-new-reverb-cartridge-for-the-z-dsp-halls-of-valhalla/

#80

The ZDSP is huge though…

Also, the reverb in Audio Damage’s ADM23 EOS module (which is basically the same as the VST with CV controls) was also coded by Valhalla’s Sean Costello. Not sure if they sound similar enough but they at least share some DNA…

#81

I’ve been using Valhalla Room, stopped looking for reverb plugins after that. (It’s that great!) Think I’ll take a look at Vintage Verb this time!