#61

Yea, this is underused in electronic music for sure. Lots of odd time signatures come from playing live without the constraints of the grid, the DAW i mean :wink:

Girls in Airports - Aeiki

Yes, more jazz, but these guys do use a hell of alot of synths too.
Not going to work out the time signatures, not even sure if it’s just

I & my band do a lot of odd time signatures and changing time signatures during songs. We’re alot more electronic orientated than band though. One that sticks in my mind is the below, we ended up naming the track by the time signature.

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#62

For jazz stuff, Don Ellis is pretty amazing. Probably the best of his pieces is Strawberry Soup in 9/4,which Ellis says

The basic feeling is one of 9/4 in even eighth-notes, but there are two 9/8 (3 2 2 2) bars superimposed into the 9/4. In the 5th bar it goes into an almost 3/4 type of feeling and the 6th bar actually begins one beat early (the last beat of the 5th bar). I think of bars 5 and 6 as being two 3/4 bars and 2/4 bar and then three 3/4 bars. Bar 7 and 8 have two 5/8 bars (2+3) and then a 4/4 bar (or 8/8). Bars 9 and 10 are really one long 9/2 bar in which there are four groups of 7 (2 2 3) and then a 4/4 bar or (8/8). You can see that while the scheme is all in 9/4, there are many different subdivision and permutations of the 9 going on within the scheme.

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#63

[quote=“joemcmahon, post:62, topic:3828”]
Don Ellis is pretty amazing[/quote]and underrated

the thread was on the verge of tilting completely over the edge toward jazz so I held back mentioning him sooner

some of his work was “electronic” by common definitions (eg. tape delayed horn solo recordings) but I doubt the OP had such broader techniques in mind

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#64

and this is a bad thing?! :wink:

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#65

nope

there’s always an interesting balance between letting conversation threads flow naturally and diverting tributaries to grow into their own separate thing

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#66

Since we’re leaning into jazz, here’s a great piece which is both jazz and electronic:

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#67

there are some other (odd) gems on that album iirc

could cheat and check discogs but i’ll use this as an excuse to dig out my vinyl copy when I get home

#68

It’s one of my favorite “jazz” (in lack of better words) records of all time. Neverending discovery.

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#69

Yeah, Sextant is excellent!

I went and found an old mix he did of Detroit techno tracks “Ukkonized”, in his words, so they’re typically chopped into uneven time signatures. Often quite subtle when there’s a regular pulse involved.
https://soundcloud.com/ukko-nen/detroit-alternate-reality

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#70

This is so so good. Wasn’t familiar with Don Ellis at all before. Going to rectify that tonight. Thanks! I’m very particular when it comes to jazz (probably do to miseducation / certain timbres rubbing me wrong), but this hits all the marks for me :slight_smile:

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#71

Tears of Joy and Live at Fillmore are probably my two favorite albums. The live album has a mind-bending version of “Hey Jude”, with electric trumpet, ring modulator and tape-delay.

I shouldn’t forget “The First Circle”, which is 22/8: 3+2+3+2+2+3+3+2+2 and 12/8.

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#72

That was a pretty fun rendition :>

As I get a bit older I start to wonder if these “super weird” interpretations of pop tracks are even for us (cool muzak people) anymore, or just a way to appeal to musical conservatives and get them over to our side by establishing common ground.
It’s like something I heard Van Jones say when talking about having a ~radical agenda and speaking to ~conservative middle class middle aged Americans: Basically establishing a lingua franca, and reminding them of all the great things they think and do, and starting there, bringing them toward what you think and do.

Anywayyyyy. Jazz, y’all.

Quite enjoying The First Circle btw :slight_smile:

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#73

i too think the challenge is to try and find examples of electronic music (as per thread title) in odd/irregular signatures, that isn’t jazz, itself an infinite pool of inspiration/showcase.

#74

This is exactly what the main piano line from Tubular Bells does - a bar of 8/8 followed by a bar of 7/8.

I often play around with overlaying different length sequences. Occasionally resetting them to the start before they have reach the end of a cycle adds a whole new dimension to the pattern - especially if you reset at around the point a listener might start to pick up on the unusual timing :slight_smile:

The track I made yesterday has a 14/8 sequence running over the top at one point, which shifts really nicely over the fairly straight 8/8 sequence that makes up the bulk of the track, and highlights different notes in the sequence as it drifts.

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#75

Son Lux quite often plays around with alternate time signatures and is not jazz :slight_smile:

https://youtu.be/P3JYtbhRAwU

#76

Great recommendations! For Floex, I want to recommend the track “Nel Blu”, mostly because it’s really good. It’s in four, but the accents fall in kind of strange places so that it almost feels like a different time signature:

For Ochre I recommend “Drink Malk”, which alternates between five and four.

But I don’t know Plaid very well, does anybody have specific track recommendations?

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#77

I like really everything from plaid, but i would start with “Not For The Trees”, songs like “Rakkimou” or “OI”. “Double Figure” is my favourite Album the opener “Eyen” is wonderful.
Rakkimou:


Eyen:

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#78

Thanks, I really enjoy both tracks!

#79

Stretta, Matthew Davidson has done some cool stuff playing with time and rhythm.

and this

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#80

more (recent) plaid … has some metre changes in it