@xenus_dad @naxuu and @Autogeneric thanks for your help, really appreciate it and learned from your answers.
I purchased mutable Blinds two weeks ago, and I’m returning it today. 
The thing is that it is “difficult” to really close the channel and it’s a big thing for me at this point in terms of usability. Several times, without thinking my hand was turning the blinds big knonbs fully left expecting zeroing the channel, and I must say, “even by ear” takes some seconds to find the 0 spot.
( I liked though the flexibility, of for example sidechaining easily… )
Veils 2020 is back in stock so think I’m going for it ( instead of the doepfr ).
The rack you shared looks fun but is maybe a little heavy on sound sources/modulation and a little light on utilities. You’re definitely right to want VCAs in here. I personally would probably recommend both a VCA and an attenuverter module. If you specifically want a bipolar VCA, go for it, but get it for the specific use cases it provides (ring modulation mainly).
@xenus_dad regarding the attenuverters, I thought about it but don’t you think that most of the modules that would need attenuversion on my rack are already equipped with in-module attenuverters? ( like morphagene, tides inputs, plaits ) ? And also, hermod is capable of controlling the amplitude of the lfo’s for example.
I think also possibly the 4ms Listen Four Quarters is a lot of HP for what it might be providing this system. There are a number of stereo mixers that are smaller - though, the 4ms is a nice combination of panning of mono sources and pass-through mixing of stereo ones.
@xenus_dad agree again ( and I’m not using the paning that much so… ) … I was thinking may be on a near future selling it in exchange for a Befaco St mix and may be Befaco Out all together, what do you think? but also was thinking about the lack in my rack of modulating the “paning” ( I really love make noise x-pan but in a system that small I think I doesn’t make that much sense )
Thanks again!
Totally, with your current modules you’re mostly covered with built-in attenuverters! There are a couple things I’d personally want them for in there, like the model and harmonics inputs on Plaits, and maybe the Kickall or the Doepfer envelope parameters. But that’s stretching to cover all contingencies.
I think you’d still want inversion for the one case you described (sidechain), but that may not be important in the short term.
I partially recommended an attenuverter because you’ll almost always find uses for them, IMO more than VCAs. They are frequently CV and audio mixers, which admittedly Veils can cover you on some. There are also some like Intellijel Triplatt that add additional functionality like gain or muting. They’re also usually relatively cheap and not a ton of HP.
But yeah, Veils will probably mostly cover you for the moment, so if you don’t see a need and/or you want to hold on to the money, that’s awesome 
you have GAS-resisting powers!
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I really love Blinds for a lot of things, but trying to use it as a “regular” VCA certainly can be frustrating.
In fact, the very first module I ever sold was a Doepfer A-133 Dual VC Polarizer, for the same reason.
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addamm
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Anyone try the Jolin Agogo? Not sure if I NEED 8 lpgs, but the mixing + buffered cascading design makes me wonder if there are some possibilities there that I hadn’t considered in my current setup.
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I would actually love one of these, but the cost is a little excessive considering I can get 4 meng qi dplpgs for half the price.
Edit: the ergonomics on this are nice, though, for sure…
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I have Jolin Agogo, and I really like it. I’m not the most experienced, though, so I can’t compare it to other LPGs except the Takaab passive 2LPG.
I specifically bought Agogo because I always had to attenuate the trigger ins on the Takaab to avoid clicks. No such problem with the Agogo. It also responds to the full CV range of my Quadrax envelopes, unlike the Takaab which only responds to CV in a very narrow range.
That you can also use the normalling to mix the various ins/outs in the same column in various ways is also really nice.
It’s essentially married to my Cs-L, and I still have channels to spare for other uses.
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The normalling is very much like how it works in the Intellijel Quadra, which I absolutely love. One of my favorite patches uses 4 VCA’s on one voice. 3 of the VCA’s are used to mix a voice and 2 copies of the voice that are processed in different ways. The mix is then sent to a 4th VCA for volume. That Jolin Agogo could handle two such voices. Whether it works for you is a matter of how you want to control your VCA’s. If you prefer to use other modules to control your VCA’s, it looks like a good way to go.
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addamm
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Even going DIY this is not an insignificant buy (8 vactrols for instance!). Eyeballing what I can let go. My dplpg is likely one 
Tempted to try a couple longer ringing vactrols but would probably stick with stock “fast” ones.
Thanks! I suppose these are the advantages to having an active circuit here. Do you find yourself using the saturation? IE patching an input high up and taking an output further down after the output has been mixed with itself several times (as I understand it)? That seems like something I’d avoid more than exploit but maybe it’s nice!
The opposite application seems useful too, taking a single input and applying a couple envelopes/lfos to that and taking those outputs elsewhere. Took me a minute but I think I have my head wrapped around the normalling and mixing on the Agogo. For instance, I don’t think the CV ins are mixed but you can achieve a similar result by only using the bottom-most output jack whereby the outputs associated with CV 1 and CV 2 are mixed.
I’m about 90% on this thing 
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That’s my impression as well. From a pure sound standpoint I might actually prefer the Takaab (vactrol lottery?), it’s just very frustrating to use with envelopes. Good fit for gates from PNW though, since I can dial in the precise level that sounds good (30-37% level on Pam’s).
I haven’t found the saturation pleasing so far. It sounds a bit harsh to my ears. It might be good for drums? I don’t do percussion in the rack, so I haven’t tried it.
But I don’t think it’s something you’ll find yourself doing on accident, as it requires patching the output “downstream”.
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i realize that this topic is centered around euro/modular, but does anyone have a lpg technique in a daw they’d be willing to share? i’ve tried various routings using ableton’s m4l envelope device controlling a volume fader and filter simultaneously, but would be very interested to hear if anyone has tried anything similar in the box.
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I recommend using a second modulation source (usually an attack decay envelope) that you use strictly to imitate the response of the vactrol. That extra movement of a well timed second envelope works wonders to bring a little life to that kind of volume fader and filter patch.
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I really like the lpg approximation in Automationism for PD… Can get some really woody/glassy sounds out of it…
Been a little frustrated with my 2LPGs from Takaab lately, kinda clicky, kinda shallow slope… I think the meng qi’s I had sounded better by a smidge…
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Is this only available with the expander? I didn’t think the Quadra had any internal normalling and not seeing anything in the manual.
Smapti
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If you have Reaktor, the LPG Reaktor Block sounds great to my ears. (In fact I prefer it to some actual LPGs I’ve tried…)
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Maybe this belongs in the general eurorack thread, but it seems like maybe ok here.
I’ve come to the realization that I need some VCAs and am looking at the Joranalogue Morph 4 or the Mutable Veils v2, or maybe both over time. Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Gexex
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Suppose it depends on how you’d like to use it and how much space you’re willing to dedicate. I currently use a Quad VCA and a morph 4.
Morph 4 is capable of some fun stuff - at the moment, I have four asynchronous sub-patches (I guess they’re really just patches if I’m not trying to be precious) running through the inputs being scanned across narrow bands like discrete radio stations, with the locations of those bands shifting slightly under cv. The traditional VCA duties are being handled by a Quad VCA, but Morph 4 is capable enough for me remove that from the equation entirely if I weren’t more comfortable spreading out a bit.
If I weren’t using a VCA for scanning, I could use the morph 4 there for traditional duties without losing anything but space. It might feel a little less comfortable given all of the extra unused controls.
Convoluted way of suggesting that, if you’re willing to spend the extra space and occasionally not use entire sections, morph 4 will give you essentially everything you’d get with another Quad, with the exception of a bit of extra drive and adjustable slope (I think). If you’d rather not spend the space, you could perhaps get to vaguely similar space with a veils with some creative patching / cv mixing prior to hitting the VCA.
That may have been my longest post on here and I don’t know that I said all that much 
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Could you maybe say a little more about what you are feeling is lacking in your setup that VCAs would cover? They can do a lot 
As @Gexex explained, Morph 4 does a lot more than a “normal” VCA does and so could be overkill for “normal” VCA uses, or at least a lot of unused functionality when you just need a VCA channel. It does look really neat though! But so, knowing what your intentions and/or needs are could be helpful.
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Thanks to both of you.
I’m looking for normal vca functionality of cv control over levels, both audio and cv, which I don’t have enough of despite having a decent number of modules already.
Some modules have vca’s built in, but that doesn’t give much generally applicable control.
I was intrigued by the scanning ability on the Morph 4, which gives another approach to adding movement to a patch.
But I also like the drive and adjustable slopes on the Veils…
The Morph 4 info mentions overdrive so I’m curious about what that actually means… I see that the Morph vca’s are linear, so better for cv than audio… I might also look at a few 2hp vca’s which are linear and great for the price and size…
If price and size are a consideration, I’d just throw the Bastl Quattro Figaro in the mix. It’s been the main VCA in my system for as long as I’ve had it and was one of my first modules. While it’s not super clean, the features in 10 hp are nuts to me. It has some normalisations that enable crossfading, in-built cv inversion and a number of summed and individual outs for the 4 channels. The only downside to me are the small cv attenuator pots but there are some sacrifices to be made for having a 4 channel VCA in 10 hp. 
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Thanks, I’ll check that out too!
I have some friends who love their Bastl!
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