#31

Interesting. Thanks. Technical and logistical issues aside, I would argue that it’s definitely a performative command (or at least something needed to enhance the speed and smoothness of certain performative gestures). I routinely use the 10-20 sec tape loop sound on sound mode on my el cap, which lets you clear all the sound in it’s buffer by triple tapping one of the switches and have found that feature very useful on stage. Use cases include: easing the transition between sections, rapidly shifting/dropping density of sound for a sudden transition, quickly escaping a badly timed or poor loop. Also, clearing dumb sounds from soundcheck without power-cycling the synth makes sound-check potentially much easier (of course if clearing a tape makes a giant pop that’s probably no good either, tho powering down kind of does that, too). Finally, it makes recording much faster because you can quickly try different ideas and clear loops that don’t work without fiddling with feedback or cue point or whatever.

#32

have you tried doing these things with CV into that in live mode? I agree about these effects being useful for performance, and I’ve found that to be a really effective and musically interesting way to clear space

(another possibility could be engaging overwrite record either through buttons or Teletype?)

#33

Yeah, currently I just turn down the feedback (that) if I want to overwrite a loop live. But if your loop is, say, 3min long it still limits the type of transitions you can make. Not that that’s always a bad thing. Just different from how I like to work sometimes. It’s much closer to working with real tape.

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#34

yeah that’s fair. although, with overwrite engaged, shouldn’t you never hear your old sounds again regardless of loop length? guess I should play with this some more.

#35

It’s probably so obvious that it doesn’t need to be mentioned, but direct control over THIS and THAT is a must. It would be cool to be able to initialize a script that pops you straight into a “tape delay” type of effect, then use PARAM, Txi or a script to dynamically control variables.

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#36

the latest 2.3 beta (or rather a release candidate) now includes w/ ops: Teletype 3.0

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#37

I agree. I do like how the existing “play” command decouples the “play” state from the module’s mode, though, and it would be interesting if we could find a way to do something similar with some of the this and that functions.

#38

Seconding this. Also, just output volume control would be good for mixing scenarios, and also shaping via Teletype “envelope” or LFO.

Another idea: a TW mode which pairs or groups multiple W/s together so they can be addressed simultaneously. Good for stereo scenarios, or recording multiple voices at once to create ‘stems’ that can then be manipulated independently.

Even cooler would be if the grouping mode also applied to physical controls, so that once say 2 W/s are paired they can be controlled from the switch and buttons together. This would make for a playable stereo pair. I don’t know if this is possible with sample accuracy over i2c (or at W/s subdivision rate) but it would be neat.

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#39

There is some control over output volume in live mode via negative offset into that! (and possibly recording nothing)

I’m actually pulling hard for the opposite use case—being able to address multiple W/'s separately over I2C, but I also would appreciate synchronicity.

I keep feeling like a great level-up idea for W/ Type is on the tip of my tongue lately…

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#40

This is good! I would love for it to be decoupled from mode though and also directly addressable.

Oh I would definitely want that and I guess, since I don’t yet have multiple W/, asks a question: is that what happens now if you have multiple W/ on your network? I.e. ws.play -1 sets all your networked W/s running backwards?

#41

that would be my guess, since every module on the I2C bus sees every message, each W/ ought to think the messages are meant for it

#42

correct; they’re all set to the same mode/direction.

my w/ firmware wishlist for teletype control:

  1. address multiple individual w/ units
    • e.g. WS.1, WS.2. or W1, W2 to keep down character count.
  2. insert cue points
    • e.g. WS.CUE.ADD
    • example: begin recording audio in, adding cue points along the way. as rec finishes and the loop begins, triggers from meadowphysics add more cue points, while the playhead moves between these new points via motion/jumps generated by other mp triggers, or teletype randomness. the audio cascade grows ever denser. would likely need something like a delete cue point operator (WS.CUE.DEL) to reign in the chaos.
  3. absolute cue point navigation
    • e.g. WS.CNAV x
    • example: jump to cue point 12 (of e.g. 20, no matter the previous cue location). instant nonlinear navigation much like mlr/mlrv sample-cutting! though this is a bit outside the linear nature of tape that w/ emulates. would probably be tricky to implement, as the number of cue points might be unknown & variable.
  4. clear current tape
  5. switch tapes
    • example: see #4 above. useful in a live performance context between songs, or even within a song. after doing a lot of destructive overwriting or looping, switch to a clean tape, work up a different set of sound manipulations, then return to the earlier version on the first tape.
  6. set exact tape speed
    • example: the current choice of forward, reverse, or stopped is decently norns-mlr-like, but being able to easily set any desired speed in either play direction would open up so many new sounds.
  7. “user mode”
    • example: create a desired configuration of w/, such as a gritty delay. load this delay via teletype, so that any audio fed in is immediately output as a thick, decaying echo. THIS and THAT inputs either work as expected from other modes, or are user-assignable, e.g. controlling decay length, grit/worn tape, etc.
    • separately control THIS/THAT via teletype, independent of w/ mode.

if THIS/THAT and the joystick actions had w/-type equivalents, i think most or all of this wishlist would be fulfilled. thanks for your consideration!

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#43

Yes! I’m particularly keen on point 6 but I could immediately benefit from 2 and your second point in 7 - I imagine that control of the tape speed would be a TT command for THAT

#44

#2,3 & 4 would be great. The ability to add more precise cues would help keep things in sync.

#45

1, 2, 3 and 4 sound really great!

Outside of THIS and THAT being user-assignable, 7 just sounds like loading a TT scene. :slight_smile:

#46

As THIS and THAT have different effect (speed, overdub, etc) depending on W/'s current mode, it would be simpler and less redundant for Teletype to directly target the properties you want to change. This would open up new possibilities that wouldn’t be achievable using only THIS and THAT.

Certain properties, such as speed, could greatly benefit from a dedicated operator, as we could give them a unique, tailored way of reacting to the numbers we pass them. We could for example have speed be interpreted in the 1v/oct standard used by Teletype’s voltage outputs (1V = 1638), which would enable us to use the same operators we use with Teletype outputs for setting speed (conversely pitch):

  • V for octaves (1 volt = 1 octave = 2x speed)
  • N for transposition in notes (1 semitone = 1,0594x speed)
  • JI for frequency/speed ratios (3 over 2 means 1,5x speed or a perfect fifth, the ratio could be anything else)

This would open up possibilities for pitched sample playback, half/double speed/octave manipulation, just intonation and polyrhythms.

I know I’ve already said this earlier in the thread, but I can’t get over how useful and fun this would be.

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#47

Given that the firmware now seems much much more stable, is it worth bumping this thread?

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#48

Given the recent slow down in beta releases, i was under the impression that a final 1.1 firmware would be released soon with more w/ type ops. these are all assumptions tho

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#49

hi all

i just got a ii cable for my w/ and a walk, which means i’m finally ready to write a scene to create the most esoteric loop pedal of all time! since setting up a mic in my apartment a few months ago i’ve been experimenting with trumpet, guitar, whistling, clapping, snapping, etc into my w/ and i’m so excited to do it in a hands-free way.

has anyone else tried this? it looks like i’d have to set the cue points manually before playing, but could use a single script to go back to the first cue point in a loop, turn record on/off (with an EVERY), and stop/start playing. i’m so excited for more w/type features, especially around THIS and THAT.

update: this is really fun! i’m going to try to get something recorded this weekend and i’ll post the results.

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#50

A very simple idea derived from the newly added features: how about a few utility operators for choosing the functions of THIS and THAT? Something like WS.THIS.DUB, WS.THAT.TRANSPORT, etc. It seems to me that using these from Teletype’s live mode would be a very convenient way to switch modes. I am sure this could be used creatively within scripts too.

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