I won’t lie, I’m intrigued by the fact that the new gen MPC are actually based on Rockchip 3288 (well MPC live at least). Apparently there’s been some digging done and yeah, it’s running Linux-so I think the potential is there for modifications. I personally haven’t used the 4000 but the 1000 and 2500 with JJOS are the jam; JJOS adds so much functionality.

I’d be all about any sort of open source workstation. Really cool seeing the sp2400 though although probably not my cup of tea.

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What would your dream sequencer look like?

… for a while, and later …

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woah, what movie is this? Cronenberg? looks vaguely familiar

20 characters of Naked Lunch

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Thank you. I haven’t seen this movie in probably 20 years, I should do a rewatch.

Yes! This is pretty much in line with what I’m thinking. I’m probably going to work on something like this myself now that I’ve been thinking about it and can see the possibilities.

What I’m thinking is kind of along the lines of what Bret Victor talks about in Inventing on Principle and what Toby Schachman has realized in http://recursivedrawing.com/ but applied toward music sequencing.

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I think this idea has legs! Feel free to hit me up for feedback or input as you go, if that’s of any interest.

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I’m only a couple days into MARF land but it definitely has “dream sequencer” form factor! Loads of unobstructed sliders and spring loaded switches.

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Some people are filter aficionados, some hoard oscillators… I think I’m, first and foremost, a sequencer nut.

For me, the mark of greatness in a sequencer is how immediacy pairs with depth.

For instance, the Cirklon has such wonderful facilities for just immediately building sequences upon sequences, using live recording with a MIDI keyboard (a must for me), and before you know it, you have a song. However, I think that in their current state, the aux effects (the things that take a sequence to unexpected places: probability, ratcheting etc. live there – the depth, if you will) could be a lot more usable. To get simple retriggering effects, you need to configure two rows of aux effects, and then, for that track, you’ve used up 50% of your aux effects. But I’d agree that it has a workflow you can’t get anywhere else – and surprisingly, for me, the best part of it was the ease of doing the basic sequencing tasks.

The Vector has immediacy in spades, but I have two concerns: It is not as coherent as it could be. There are some inconsistencies in the UI and some basic things (like real-time recording) are still to be implemented. I know this is the age of the firmware update, but I try to shy away from situations where I’m waiting for something to be updated to get on with my hobby. Also, it remains to be seen how much depth can be built into the machine. I’d almost classify it as Cirklon Lite: It is a bit less immediate and deep, but is cheaper, smaller and arguably approachable. To be clear, despite what I typed, I like it very much – it’s fantastic.

The NerdSeq is an odd one. Immediacy is an obvious concern. Thank god it has real-time recording. But for depth, I’d go on and say it’s the king. Also, it features a pretty smart way of grouping and chaining sequences to form passages, which allows for a lot of flexibility in arranging songs. It has some nifty features coming up, like the almost 101-style note input where the playhead skips a predefined amount of steps every time you press a key on your keyboard. Also, you can basically have a subsequencer for ratcheting, transposition etc. PER STEP. Fun stuff. It’s like a stride away from your mom-and-pop sequencing towards Teletype.

Polyend Tracker - this is really cool. Step, which is the 101-style sequencing enabler, is here. It also has what I’d argue to be the greatest implementation of random sequencing options – the Fill menu. You can do stuff like “populate steps 17-31 with notes every other step, starting from C-0 and ascending towards C-3, following this scale”. Or “Populate every step with random notes, this scale, constrained to this note range”.

So, to stop rambling like a mad person, I like my sequencers like I like my boardgames: Small rules overhead, but depth for years. (That might be the nerdiest sentence I’ve ever written. <3 )

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Mine would also be able to record the dreams

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All sequencers have different trade offs and workflows. Rather than a dream sequencer I’d be keen for something that let me seamlessly use multiple sequencers together.

Something like a standalone box with 5+ MIDI ports, USB Midi and CV in/out, with the ability to easily route any input to output.

I’d like to be able to use a Make Noise Rene to sequence a VST plugin. Norns to sequence a Digitone, etc. All without having to switch cables around.

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5+ midi ports makes me think Cirklon but also the MidiBox sequencer. I’ve always been interested in the MidiBox but it’s a tall investment to not really know what I was getting into.

Not answering your question, but the thing I love about the pyramid that seems missing elsewhere is that it always records unquantized. The swing and quantization are effects which get applied in realtime on playback (meaning you can even dial them in and out as a performance effect). One of my biggest annoyances elsewhere is recording something with quantize inadvertantly enabled (especially to the incorrect beat division) and all the midi notes being irrecoverably placed on the grid.

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i would definitely like a system of written notation that’s more friendly with abstraction and experimentation than the current standard

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Having owned a ton of sequencers including cirklon (twice), mpc (x 4), elektrons (everything prior to the digi series), pyramid, maq16/3, Ableton push and modular Rene, I’ve reached the conclusion that my favourite sequencer is the one(s) I design for myself. Monome and Kyma is now basically my holy grail. I’m still tempted by off the shelf solutions of course but every single one fails me in some important department.
The decoupled nature of Grid/Arc has revolutionised my thinking, quite spectacular…

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You could get this kind of behavior from the Mimetic Digitalis with inputs to the CV X and CV Y inputs, FWIW. 16 total “storage locations” each holding 4 voltages

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It’s been fascinating coming to the Vector from the Komplex. I think it’s clear what the Vector was originally conceived as: eight mono Numerology MIDI step sequencers, each backed with two (relatively stripped down) subsequencers, and some built-in MIDI-to-CV. Unsurprisingly, this is what Vector is best at. While there are some minor inconsistencies and loose ends, and it’s not as open-ended as Numerology or Komplex, it’s still really good.

As additional features are grafted onto Vector around that core sequencer model, things get—unsurprisingly—hazier. Fundamentally, the hardware doesn’t anticipate things that are being asked of it. Copy/paste is an obvious example: two buttons missing from the hardware mean the feature is layered in with button combos and not everywhere it probably ought to be. The “Dashboard” is shoehorned in (and it doesn’t feel well thought-through to me). The drum sequencer and chord modes also look like they might be a bit jammed in there, although I don’t use either of them so I haven’t studied them at all. Anyway, if Five12 keeps piling on features that the hardware didn’t sufficiently anticipate, the inelegances will compound.

Meanwhile, the Launchpad integration is transformative. Launchpad doesn’t add copy/paste buttons, but it significantly alleviates pressure on the existing hardware for navigation and pattern cueing, and it adds some grid-based sequencing features. Once you’re using the Launchpad with Vector, the Launchpad sort of becomes the top level interface, and the Vector itself becomes where you go to tweak things. I understand that Launchpad integration has also been a big deal for the NerdSeq, although I’m not up on the details.

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(Your musings on the Vector were a big influence when I wrote my thing about the Vector)

I agree with this fully.

As for the NerdSeq – the Launchpad support is still very much a WIP, and I got the idea that the implementation has more to do with the selection of patterns rather than note input, although I think it can be used for triggers if not CV values. Hoping that the feature gets fleshed out further.

One point with the NerdSeq is that it does have some features that would need further development, and have been like that for a while. But I think that’s almost a given with their one-man structure. There’s a lot of expanders that sound really interesting (HDMI output, USB keyboard/launchpad expander, I2C expander). Launchpad support is another. The DIN MIDI expander also has the very cool Sega controller input port, but that is also something that would need a liiiiitle more work – mapping more functions to more buttons and probably letting users map the key combos.

Maybe one way of putting it is that the NerdSeq is not, uh, very surgical in its concept – it’s more of a candy shop. But it’s a fun space, and the candies are good – incoming is a four-op FM implementation for the sample player part, envelopes and wavefolders, just to name a few. :exploding_head:

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I admire the NerdSeq, but in countless ways, it is not the right tool for me.

I really wish Five12 would focus on making Vector as good as possible at what it was designed to be rather than turning it into a “candy shop”. For example, I’m skeptical it is ever going to be a particularly good drum sequencer. There will an endless stream of bell and whistle requests that will never really be fulfilled and so—in this culture—Vector will come to be defined as much by what it isn’t than by what it is; a risk of the work-in-progress model. People are throwing all sorts of blue sky (random) feature requests, because why not?

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Yeah, I’m not enthused about the chord or drum functionalities, seems like painting through a keyhole.

On the other hand, things that could expand to make it more plentiful to program without much added clutter:

*More mod destinations for the modulation sequencers and inputs

*More available MIDI CC’s

But in the end, I would love it if the focus was on making it as logical and quick to navigate as possible and impossible to crash.