I think Mutable Instruments Frames is somewhat similar to this

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Polyearthsea but it records into Kria tracks for playback.

Would feel like playing through a polymetric delay but all accomplished on the CV side (so that you could then run it through a polymetric delay, of course).

Yeah it would be a bit like an oramics machine, but since we’re not limited to the analog realm it would be like an oramics machine that could create oramics machines or overwrite oramics machines on the fly.

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Fully agree with mdoudoroff that combining multiple kinds of sequencers is best.
I’m still in a honeymoon phase with the pyramid but I’m really really enjoying a Pyramid/Digitakt combo. I love programming rhythmic stuff on the digitakt but not much else.
The pyramid allows me to add additional layers of euclidian or FX driven rhythm to the digitakt sequences and also record and edit long melodic phrases and harmonic changes.

The pyramid method of creating and organizing sequences feels really intuitive to me. I’ve never had the patience for most linear song modes. I don’t mind the little screens, and I feel like they actually help me not get too distracted from listening to the sequences.

And then inside the modular, I’ve got marbles, rene, and some sequential switches for making surprising things happen in a hands-on intuitive way.

I don’t think I’d actually prefer to control everything from one box but it is nice to have major structures organized with one box.

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Definitely, though Frames arranges all the states in a single axis. Maze or Polyend Preset may be closer in having X-Y preset navigation, and I bet that planar could get pretty close to this, too.

Digitone plus launchpad pro is the best (for me) for playing chords and melodies, especially now that digi has condition per track and step jump record mode

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The sounds a little bit like something I’ve imagined that I have awkwardly described as “Xenakis UPIC x TidalCycles and/or Fugue Machine.”

I should draw this idea sometime, figure out if I can make it practical…

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I’ve been looking at different sequencers pretty often for the past 2 years and just haven’t been able to pull the trigger on anything minus a beatstep pro. I’ve had an MPC1k for 7 years and I really love that thing. It’s a computer that only samples/sequences and the midi is rock solid. Used to only use Ableton for a long time and I just was getting tired of it, got the 1k and I was happy for a long time. Bought the beatstep because the step sequencer in JJOS is pretty janky and it’s more or less given me a x0x style of note entry. Must say, don’t really use the beatstep with the modular since I’ve got MIDI to CV/trig for days so I’ve got a rather silly chain of MIDI.

I’ve thought about having an MPC1k in terms of editing/arrangement but I really love the MIDI FX in Ableton - I think those are awesome tools. I know the Pyramid has something similar. The Roland MV Series has some great midi data thin/cc quantization and a few other functions that really I haven’t found many DAWs offering. I also really like the idea of parameter locks from Elektron but I suppose in a generic way cc quantization would be like a p lock.

Personal rant, MIDI data thin would be so handy on any sequencer as some sort of function, offline or real time. Really, DIN MIDI Sucks. When you record the CC data it’s being “sampled” by the sequencer at whatever PPQN and it grabs all that data and shoved in onto whatever sequencer tick. Your mod wheel might’ve sent 8 whatever messages in that sequencer tick and the MCU wasn’t doing much else, grabbed all of it, and shoved all of them to one place. Then when it’s time to shovel all that down DIN midi on playback you’ve literally just created a glob of data that’s easily the equivalent to 8 voices of note on/off Messages. It can just get buggy when using all 16 channels but you can save the day if you can thin all this data to where there’sonly message per sequencer tick.

Maybe I should keep a close eye in the newer MPCs because they seem to tick more of my boxes but then There’s aspects of those machines that turn me off.

I don’t really know if I answered the question. :joy::joy:

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I logged in to suggest an open source mpc-4000. It is no so much that I want to add more stuff, but the 4000 should be the core of a community that lives beyond the parts availability lifetime of any one realization of the platform, and outlines any given corporate entity which sponsors it.

The first such significant project which becomes widely adopted will change the music industry, I think.

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I won’t lie, I’m intrigued by the fact that the new gen MPC are actually based on Rockchip 3288 (well MPC live at least). Apparently there’s been some digging done and yeah, it’s running Linux-so I think the potential is there for modifications. I personally haven’t used the 4000 but the 1000 and 2500 with JJOS are the jam; JJOS adds so much functionality.

I’d be all about any sort of open source workstation. Really cool seeing the sp2400 though although probably not my cup of tea.

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What would your dream sequencer look like?

… for a while, and later …

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woah, what movie is this? Cronenberg? looks vaguely familiar

20 characters of Naked Lunch

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Thank you. I haven’t seen this movie in probably 20 years, I should do a rewatch.

Yes! This is pretty much in line with what I’m thinking. I’m probably going to work on something like this myself now that I’ve been thinking about it and can see the possibilities.

What I’m thinking is kind of along the lines of what Bret Victor talks about in Inventing on Principle and what Toby Schachman has realized in http://recursivedrawing.com/ but applied toward music sequencing.

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I think this idea has legs! Feel free to hit me up for feedback or input as you go, if that’s of any interest.

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I’m only a couple days into MARF land but it definitely has “dream sequencer” form factor! Loads of unobstructed sliders and spring loaded switches.

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Some people are filter aficionados, some hoard oscillators… I think I’m, first and foremost, a sequencer nut.

For me, the mark of greatness in a sequencer is how immediacy pairs with depth.

For instance, the Cirklon has such wonderful facilities for just immediately building sequences upon sequences, using live recording with a MIDI keyboard (a must for me), and before you know it, you have a song. However, I think that in their current state, the aux effects (the things that take a sequence to unexpected places: probability, ratcheting etc. live there – the depth, if you will) could be a lot more usable. To get simple retriggering effects, you need to configure two rows of aux effects, and then, for that track, you’ve used up 50% of your aux effects. But I’d agree that it has a workflow you can’t get anywhere else – and surprisingly, for me, the best part of it was the ease of doing the basic sequencing tasks.

The Vector has immediacy in spades, but I have two concerns: It is not as coherent as it could be. There are some inconsistencies in the UI and some basic things (like real-time recording) are still to be implemented. I know this is the age of the firmware update, but I try to shy away from situations where I’m waiting for something to be updated to get on with my hobby. Also, it remains to be seen how much depth can be built into the machine. I’d almost classify it as Cirklon Lite: It is a bit less immediate and deep, but is cheaper, smaller and arguably approachable. To be clear, despite what I typed, I like it very much – it’s fantastic.

The NerdSeq is an odd one. Immediacy is an obvious concern. Thank god it has real-time recording. But for depth, I’d go on and say it’s the king. Also, it features a pretty smart way of grouping and chaining sequences to form passages, which allows for a lot of flexibility in arranging songs. It has some nifty features coming up, like the almost 101-style note input where the playhead skips a predefined amount of steps every time you press a key on your keyboard. Also, you can basically have a subsequencer for ratcheting, transposition etc. PER STEP. Fun stuff. It’s like a stride away from your mom-and-pop sequencing towards Teletype.

Polyend Tracker - this is really cool. Step, which is the 101-style sequencing enabler, is here. It also has what I’d argue to be the greatest implementation of random sequencing options – the Fill menu. You can do stuff like “populate steps 17-31 with notes every other step, starting from C-0 and ascending towards C-3, following this scale”. Or “Populate every step with random notes, this scale, constrained to this note range”.

So, to stop rambling like a mad person, I like my sequencers like I like my boardgames: Small rules overhead, but depth for years. (That might be the nerdiest sentence I’ve ever written. <3 )

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Mine would also be able to record the dreams

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All sequencers have different trade offs and workflows. Rather than a dream sequencer I’d be keen for something that let me seamlessly use multiple sequencers together.

Something like a standalone box with 5+ MIDI ports, USB Midi and CV in/out, with the ability to easily route any input to output.

I’d like to be able to use a Make Noise Rene to sequence a VST plugin. Norns to sequence a Digitone, etc. All without having to switch cables around.

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