Zyklus MIDI performance system ? I mean, you won’t ever find one but still…

I’ve been experimenting recently using an entirely organic hardware sequencer consisting of human memory, and a muscular-skeletal interface with physical instruments.

It’s not a very stable configuration.

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It’s also really hard to hand it over to my friends and let them jam.

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I hear some brains and hands have really tight sync.

Not hardware, but seems interesting.

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i enjoyed the alesis mmt8. it embodies a sort of 80’s idea of sequencing. but this highlights a good point-- what is a sequencer? we’ve been making grid-centric live sequencers, but also the most traditional sequencers have been simply a bank of knobs that cycle… so there is a huge range.

and so “best” gets to be a really difficult word. i’d say best is whatever fits your task. and your task may change often. i’d be hesitant to ascribe “best” to anything, because it infers only that your aesthetic vision or method of working just happen to align with that of the hardware designer. in my mind, “best” is knowing a programming language, then tuning your own system. max/msp or teletype, for example. but of course for simple looping tasks-- those have been reinvented so many times it’s not worth remaking it again. so perhaps the better question is, what is interesting about sequencers?

and the perhaps a comparison between sequencers between actual performative capabilities?

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Sequencers are great for

  • mechanized/rigid/perfect rhythms
  • complex beats that would be difficult to play with hands
  • cycles, repetition

Some sequencers are great for

  • polyrhythm, cross-rhythm, and polymeter
  • pattern storage and recall
  • arrangement
  • controlling lots of other hardware without a computer

I count at least 22 different sequencers mentioned in this thread so far. Not sure how many of them are actually owned by folks who can speak to their performative capabilities from experience (as opposed to reading a spec sheet or blog posts or watching videos, which is about the best I could do for most of them).

I find Numerology exceedingly interesting. But I’m finding it a bit challenging to articulate why. http://five12.com/n4.html

“Sequencers are graphic editors of sound”
http://www.five12.com/vbForum/showthread.php?t=1521

It seems to be a form of synesthesia. Or tactile notation. With movement.

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I will put a nod in for the Yamaha RM1x, which I used a long while ago (edit: as my only sequencer). Rough notes:

  • the timing is, apparently (following some recent testing) really, really tight. 480ppqn, pretty spot on.
  • it’s clip-based, I suppose: a pattern has sixteen tracks, which output across sixteen midi tracks; there are sixteen phrases in a pattern, and a phrase is “a join between clips and tracks”, ie: put zero or one clips onto a track and it will play. Phrases can be varying lengths, but all clips in a phrase I think have to be identical lengths
  • it has dead easy mute/solo - hold and hit the track number - and has five mute memories, meaning you can remember clusters of muting easily
  • it can do XoX step sequencing as well as record/playback
  • it has a great list editor and a good screen.

It has a totally average XG MIDI soundbank in it that you can ignore, and lots of sample patterns that you can also ignore. It has a late 90s ‘dance’ aesthetic that you sadly cannot ignore.

It’s built out of a really bigass bit of metal.

Downsides: back when I was using it, I wasn’t as interested in live record/playback, so can’t speak to how good it’d be for adding new material live. (It’s not with me at the moment to find out). I think it might not be terrible - especially the XoX sequencer - but honestly couldn’t say. It only has a single MIDI Out. It’s a bit old.

Still, it often gets overlooked, and I found it one of the most interesting/competent hardware sequencers I’ve used. Its conceptual model is, I suppose, pretty close to Ableton Live’s session view.

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The Yamaha RS700 adds a sampler and sample manipulation, which really does just about make it ableton-in-hardware, from the looks of it. The RM1X is much cheaper though. I believe the QY300 and QY700 have the same sequencer as the RM1X? The QY300 looks a little smaller. The QY700 has a larger screen.

Looked at them for a long time. Also thought about their little pocket calculator predecessors (QY8, QY10, QY22, QY70, QY100).

«Certainly, his methodology is unique. As we sit on his hardwood floor, Tricky shows me his primary instrument: the Yamaha QY-22, a black device about the size of a volt meter. “I put together most of the album on this,” he says. "The whole bass line on ‘Christiansands,’ most of ‘Tricky Kid,’ the strings from ‘Bad Things,’ ‘Lyrics of Fury.’ " He uses this audio Powerbook to program tracks and create noises that he can play either on a keyboard or by downloading straight to tape. “It’s a drum machine, a sequencer, it’s got bass, piano, strings. You can’t sample, you can only write, but I like that. I read this article that said Tricky doesn’t play any of his own music. Well, this is the instrument I play.”

This audio sketchbook, seemingly designed to provide only the most basic skeleton of a studio track, seems to fit Tricky’s freestyling, graffiti approach to music just fine. “I work fast,” he says. “It’s too hard thinking about stuff like, ‘Should we have a break here.’ I’ll just build a fat spliff and put the music up really fucking loud and mix it all live, freehand.” Later he shows me one of his tattoos, a “psychic drawing. A guy smokes a spliff, starts a line and you tell him when you want him to stop,” he explains. “It’s the most painful tattoo I’ve ever had.” I wonder how deeply this aesthetic runs through Tricky’s life.»

http://www.moon-palace.de/tricky/spin96-1.html

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The Yamaha RS700 adds a sampler and sample manipulation, which really does just about make it ableton-in-hardware, from the looks of it. The RM1X is much cheaper though. I believe the QY300 and QY700 have the same sequencer as the RM1X? The QY300 looks a little smaller. The QY700 has a larger screen.

The RS7000 is fairly similar; I believe the QYs are somewhat different, though, in terms of UI and how they conceive of the sequence, and their hardware is a little more rubbery and fiddly (the four big endless encoders on the RM1x help a lot in terms of using it). As requested at the top, I can only really comment on the RS, as I’ve actual experience of using it.

Is the RS7000 the one that adds the “intelligent remix” functionality? Someone was telling me about that feature and I thought it sounded really cool. You can slice up your patterns in different ways and then apply transformations.

For performing without a computer, the Elektron devices can’t be overlooked. The Octatrack and Analog 4 are both excellent. (Former carries a steep learning curve, but that shouldn’t be too daunting for anyone who is on THIS particular forum, haha.)

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Do you know the SQR ? ( http://www.fyrd-instruments.com/SQR )
i own the previous version: the MTRX, only MIDI, but a crazy piece of hardware.This one works also with modulars.

The Arturia Beatstep also looks super interesting in this category. It works both as a USB sequencer, and as a standalone MIDI sequencer.

Based on recent announcement, I would also put the upcoming Kilpatrick Audio Carbon on a list of interesting competitors.
Very nice concept and feature set, relatively small footprint, and really versatile as a toolbox of things.
More here: http://store.kilpatrickaudio.com/carbon

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I saw a prototype of this at a synth fair in Montreal recently. It looks and feels really really nice.

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The RM1X is a great machine, but I found it not terribly suitable for live/improvisational usage due to the fact that you basically have to choose between “edit” and “play” mode. Basically this means for live use you just have to stay in “edit” mode and be limited to one pattern.

That said, the same limitation exists on basically every roland x0x line drum machine as well (barring the 606), so you can certainly do it. Look at Jeff Mills :wink:

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Reviving this because I’m looking for some way to record and loop polyphonic midi without any quantization, of the notes or the length of the loop (I know there must be some but I don’t want to be able to discern it). I wonder if mmt8 would let me do this?

The MIDI sequencer of the Elektron Octatrack should allow this, if you are content with
(a) a pattern consiting of 8 MIDI tracks, each track being limited to 64 steps,
(b) a step can hold up to four MIDI notes, so 4 note maximum polyphony for each of the 8 tracks,
© all notes of a 4-note-max-chord per steps have to share the same start time, length and velocity.