Squarp Pyramid is great.

i have only owned one for about a month, and have only played the production game for about one year. So my opinion is very limited by a lack of knowledge and experience of the techniques and capabilities of sequencing and music production in general. (reading most of rick_monster’s posts is like trying to learn how to fly a spaceship by reading a manual translated from gronkytonk. not a criticism of you, i just dont understand half of the words you are saying let alone the concepts behind them)

In a way this is the first endorsement point of the Pyramid. It just works for someone who doesn’t really know what they are doing. It is straightforward enough for fledglings, but deep enough for masters.

The physical interface is compact and easy to become familiar with. One handed operation is fairly easy despite needing to push multiple buttons at the same time. Navigating between functions and changing parameters is quick, with minimal button combinations and scrolling. One drawback of the UI is that the screen is to the left of the main rotary dial, so the screen gets blocked when turning the knob with the left hand. Fortunately the multiple- page menu diving is minimal, and most features can be accessed while only needing to go a couple of screens deep. But for some of the features its easier to use the left hand to press buttons while turning the dial with the right so you can see what you are changing on the screen without having to contort your hand around.

Some other things i’ve found useful or just like about it:

the resolution of note input is good, it doesn’t lock you in too rigidly, allows for sloppy play, but will quantise and tighten up as needed.

Bar length and meter can be set independently for each track. I don’t fully understand polymeter/polyrythm, but it allows for these things. I just know that it sounds neat as the patterns overlap when the lengths vary, and this is easy to accomplish.

Polyphony seems more limited by what is being sequenced than by the Pyramid itself. It juggles multiple tracks, notes, parameter changes, automations etc really well; you can have a lot going on at the same time.

The effects list is varied and the quality sounds good. I especially like that you can add randomness in varying degrees to note length, pitch and velocity for each track. So even the most simple sequences can be morphed into unexpected and interesting areas that continually change. The chance effect is also really fun, you can set it to play any percentage of the notes from nothing to everything. i’ve enjoyed taking busy note filled sequences and disintegrating them over time then putting it back together again. Layering and changing the order of the effects is easy and induces varied results.

Euclidean mode makes generating and changing patterns fun, quick and easy and allows for realizing patterns which would be difficult to make without it.

Plenty of knobs and buttons to assign things to, but no so many that they become overwhelming. Ability to draw in automation etc adds another way to interact.

And so much more.
Overall it has really opened things up for me, it has coalesced a workflow, integrated multiple instruments, and vastly expanded my production capabilities. It is fast and easy to use without necessitating a computer and all the cascade of difficulties and learning curves involved. i’m really excited to continue exploring and producing with it.

For comparison i tried:
Beatstep pro; easy with great layout but mono timbral input, three tracks is too few, limited to 64 steps

Digitakt; could never get it to communicate properly with the virus ti, it would act as a controller, but i couldnt input notes from different midi channels from the virus keyboard, the clacky small buttons were awkward, screen is too small for all of the necessary info, but it is sharp and clear. cant enter chords. Unrelated to sequencer aspect; the sampling functions were good, though editing audio lengths was fiddly, twisty and tedious for me. one could get better at it with practice though.

Only other sequencer experience has been from the onboard ones with various machines, which is inherently limiting. But he Roland ones are fun and easy, and the Korg motion record is really good.

Sorry for the long and rambly post. i just hope this helps someone out there who is looking for the ‘right’, not necessarily the ‘best’ sequencer. Ultimately i think you just need to try as many out as you can and see what works for you, this goes for other gear as well. i’ve wondered whether it was best to just settle in and learn whatever i had and not gone on an acquisition spree. But i think some things just work more easily and intuitively for different people and you’ve gotta spend some time with it to know. And it is fairly easy to resell, trade, or return gear. i feel like i got lucky trading a Digitakt for a relatively hard to get Pyramid and each has fit better with the new owner.
(please excuse the blatant materialistic consumerism)

good luck in your search, hopefully it is a fun journey.

(btw for those disgruntled with the few cv outs on the Pyramid, Squarp is coming out with a new sequencer for modular gear called the Hermod which looks to have similar sequencing capabilities but with lots more holes)

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Re: JJOS 2XL it’s definitely not for the faint-hearted! Highly complex system requiring many evenings/days to fully learn. But think I’m mostly there now… Here’s the scoop:

  • as I may have already mentioned, it’s very much a ‘studio tool’ - many things require stopping/starting the sequencer.
  • undo/redo logic is hardwired to sequencer start/stop
  • the core sequencer workflow is playing patterns in real time using pads/midi keyboard. It does this job so much slicker than any sequencer setup I’ve used. The gestures for this stick to the cerebral cortex very readily!
  • My workflow bottleneck is ability to play melodies/rhythms accurately enough with keyboard/pads. Real-time workflow would help a bit with this, but stopping/starting can help crystallise/cement musical ideas.
  • recording sequences while looping is possible but tends to drop premature downbeat gestures at the end of the loop. The workaround is to stop the sequencer & record after a count-in.
  • With JJOS you get out of MPC’s ‘four-bar-loopitis’ (mentioned in a previous post) by creating ‘patterns’ - copy arbitrary tracks from your loopitis jam into these ‘patterns’. Then ‘compose’ them into a new ‘track’ So for example if you have 2 variations of a drum beat stored in 2 patterns you can very quickly ‘chain up’ these two patterns to create a longer form (e.g AABA). Then you can ‘hand-tweak’ bits of the AABA to add fills/variations & again blast this into a new pattern, etc…
  • I’m not fast enough yet with patterns - still trying to fully absorb it, but I’m cautiously excited what it can do!
  • JJOS is also suitable for light multitracking (‘audio tracks’)
  • sample ‘chop mode’ allows to nondestructively adjust in/out points of chopped samples as a sequence runs with minimal button-presses
  • you can sequence any amount of midi gear, then record back the result into an audio track, then chop it into samples which can be then triggered on pads, tweak the ‘chop points’ as sequence runs. You could even then resample the chopped loop & re-chop - crazy!
  • you can patch almost everything to respond to midi events & cut menu diving a lot with a ‘maximal’ midi button interface!
  • the cool bells & whistles are a step-sequencer (aka line-pattern), arpeggiator & some slightly dodgy-sounding FX
  • it’s nonfree software… but anyway the source-code is probably pretty face-melting - not sure it’d be advisable to dive in there even if it were available!
  • you can operate everything one-handed with a broken arm, woot!
  • upgraded pads on a 1000 are really, really great - waaaay better than my full-size pad-upgraded mpd32. Maybe no good if you already have years of muscle-memory with full-size though…
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Does anyone have any experiences with the Carbon? http://www.kilpatrickaudio.com/?p=carbon

Nerdseq is released soon. Looks really nice.

http://xor-electronics.com/nerdseq

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Here is my thoughts from various forums where someone has asked about the Carbon.

Here goes, (I am a day one backer of this and really like Kilpatrick Audio’s products, but will try to offer a fair view)

First of all its a 6 channel pattern generator, rather than a sequencer. long elaborate songs cannot be programmed into it as you only have a maximum or 64 notes to input across all 6 scenes. its a Bach machine, not a Beethoven. If your song composition tends to repeated patterns with variation, it’s great, if you want verse - chorus - middle eight, then you will have to work creatively.

There is a lot you can do to the note selection to change them up: transpose, different patterns, direction, different clock rates, Arpeggios, Quantisation, scale select, and live overdubs.

Its incredibly easy to get something out of nothing, as a music composition tool, I think its one of the best, the one dial per function and clear screen, really make you engaged with hunting around different clocks, patterns & routings trying to find something that fits.

The MIDI routing is stable, (mostly) clear and very flexible. 4x CV& Gate as standard, 2x MIDI out, 1x MIDI controller or MIDI interface socket ( HOST) and USB to Computer (DEVICE).

I have used all 4 CV to drive a modular, 1x MIDI to monotribe, 1x MIDI to Volca, and routed MIDI to play a softsynth, and routed a MIDI controller via the DAW to play live overdubs. I am not sure there is a price equivalent sequencer that can do that. CC changes between steps are not smoothed which is an issue for some people, but you could always use a slew when converting to CV.

Interface mode is solid, but as there are only a few set ups hard coded in, I would look at them in advance and see if they will be useful. I use interface mode as a MIDI/CV interface, but had to set up a few templates in my DAW to take the work out of using it.

There were issues with firmware upgrades, but Andrew has released a multiplatform firmware installer, I am not sure how many firmware updates we will get, but I know Andrew was hoping to work on a new firmware, at the end of 2017.

Overall, I really like to use mine, but will use a DAW to chop up and finalise the arrangement. However for getting ideas out there, its a really great composition tool. Just don’t expect it to behave or have the funcitonality like a comparative sequencer (Engine/Pyramid).

Its nearest competitor is the upcoming Five12 Vector Sequencer from Numerology.

I know that Andrew is trying for a new firmware end of this year early next which will add in many user requests, but as with all promised firmware updates, treat is as a unexpected surprise not an entitlement.

happy to answer any questions via this thread or via PM.

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i actually just ordered one of these for a good deal as i liked the idea of using it to come up with ideas/musical meat quickly without using an elektron box (monomachine and digitakt are my main sequencers). i haven’t done much research, but your review was definitely very helpful especially in that you describe it as a pattern generator and not sequencer.

so i don’t see it as being my main sequencer, just something to create material to then spit into the MnM/DT for song creation.

i haven’t had a chance to read the manual but would i be able to input my midi controllers thru it and still control all of my other devices via the carbon’s midi output?

Was going to say, I really enjoy the monomachine as a standalone sequencer. My only issue is that the note input is cumbersome if you’re not using an external keyboard.

I use it with my modular with a usb-midi device that connects to the ansible, which is incredibly fun.

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Note input always seems to be a drag unless you’re using a keyboard, with every sequencer I’ve encountered so far. Anybody know of any exceptions?

I got the Deluge because of it’s piano roll style note entry. The ease of scrolling vertically and horizontally is really nice. It’s not perfect, but the developer is putting a ton of time upgrading the firmware and listening to user suggestions. Plus the CV/Gate output is super handy.

https://synthstrom.com/product/deluge/

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dang, your post provoked me to actually look at the Pyramid and it does seem pretty amazing. I’m interested to see how the Hermod works out once it is available, too.

Also, it is reassuring to hear that it isn’t a nightmare/multi-week project just to figure it out. I had an Analog Keys that I figured I would use as a main sequencer but I don’t think I really get along with Elektron’s whole workflow, which is a bummer because I am always thinking that an Octatrack (or maybe a Digitakt) would be a really fun box, but then I figure that I may just end up hating to actually use it.

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Th deluge has always intrigued me. But I was too nervous about buyingit as i was unsure what the voices would sound like. Kinda wish I’d been a bit braver.

Yep, use the MIDI host input for any MIDI controller.
then route that to anything connected. CV or MIDI? I also use it as a controller to CV converter without the need for a computer.

It was designed as something that can route pretty much anywhere, and leave connected to gear/DAW or other sequencers using the clock/reset outs

Good luck!

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The internal synths aren’t mind blowing, though I started exploring the filters a bit more and getting better results there. But being able to load single-cycle waveforms into the oscillators opened it up a bunch. It’s not a synthesis specialist, but a solid jack of all trades. Melodic sequencing is a breeze and the random arpeggiator is super fun.

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The MFB Seq-02 was great regarding note input, in my opinion.

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i plan on using an arturia keystep via the USB midi input on the carbon and an alesis controlpad using the midi input on the carbon…will most likely input master clock from a multiclock to the keystep and have the carbon slave to that from the midi dev/host input.

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Could you swap the multiclock and Keystep? I’d be wary of trusting the keystep to keep the integrity of the multiclock via a throughport.

I’ve never used the USB host to receive clock, so check that this is possible. Email Andrew if you don’t find that info on the Docs.

I know that the Carbon recommends using its internal clock and adding in better external clock stability for DAW use, but maybe using it with a multiclock is uncharted waters.

i’ve got quite the midi mess going on, but looking at it all, i’m not quite sure if i could swap the MC and KS, obviously i could get another midi merge box but would prefer to not do that and just utilize the USB inputs on the carbon.

i looked at the disqus comments at the carbon website, https://store.kilpatrickaudio.com/carbon, and someone asked if it could slave via USB and andrew responding with a “Yes, Absolutely!”

reached out to him and asking if the carbon can slave via usb or not.

i’d like to have all of my midi controllers to be inputted through the carbon and then feed the carbon into my two sequencers. we shall see!

just heard back and he said the following:

“Yes, you can use the USB device port or the MIDI IN port to sync CARBON to a MIDI clock source. This works very well and CARBON can then be used to generate very high quality clock outputs with various rates over both MIDI and analog outputs.”

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just got it yesterday, and!

i lurvvvv it…such an awesome way to get yourself out of the elektron way of thinking.

still wrapping my head around scenes and hope to configure some song templates tonight.

new firmware update

http://www.kilpatrickaudio.com/firmware/K66-carbon-1.12-firmware.zip

version 1.12 changes:

Added more scales - thanks to CARBON user Bill Butler
Improved MIDI clock to be even more precise.
Added a CV Output Offset function as per user request.
Added autolive function to enable live playing over sequences.
Additional bug fixes and improvements.

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