I went straight from apple and yes they do!!! ouch. I got my (ex) girlfriend a refurbed Mac from Gazelle it was a newer 2017 non touch bar model I think and also looked brand spanking new and didn’t seem to have any issues. She was mainly using it to do minor video edits and pretty basic usage. I did not fool with it much but compared to my 2011 Mac that was on the outs it was lighting fast. apple pun not intended.
I’ve had friends get refurbs from Macauthority, that turned out to work well. They’ve got a local store, so you can try before buy. Oh, and I just remembered that they rebranded to Simply Mac.
I now need to buy a new Mac to replace my beloved 2013 Air. The specs vs price ratio is shocking. But I have to use a Mac because of what I do and the software I run.
£2k for a refurb Machine, seems crazy.
I just got my replacement machine, and for some reason it seems the 2019 15" 8 core MacBook Pro is running Ableton much quieter and much cooler than the 6 core 2018 version. This is using a clone of the previous machine’s configuration through Time Machine. I was getting absurdly high temperatures with very high fan speeds at less than 5% CPU load on Ableton’s meter, but that seems to be gone now. I wonder if something changed with the thermals.
Yep! They definitely improved the thermals.
anyone using the latest macbook pro in critical live audio environments?
if so - are you using a thunderbolt 3 hub to avoid the T2/USB sound glitch problem?
hoping to upgrade to the latest specs while keeping a trusty and relatively new MOTU ultralight (as well as various usb midi controllers) in play…
I believe the T2 sound problem has been fixed in recent OS updates. However I can recommend the Caldigit hub which completely circumvents the issue.
oh that’s good news!
also, i just read a rumor that a new model with a better keyboard will be announced tomorrow…
Yeah! I was about to say hold off a month. The rumor mill is strongly suggesting October as the release of a fully updated 16" MacBook Pro without the problematic butterfly keyboard. Some people think that it will be revealed tomorrow, but I’m not sure if they’d put that into the iPhone event.
The perennial question is what new bugs will arrive with it
I’ve decided to ignore the current lineup and the rumours and went with a used 2015 MBP 13"
Very happy with it.
I got one of the new i9 machines and it runs a babyface pro via a thunderbolt/usb cable perfectly with no pops or glitches at all, a real pleasure actually. The keyboard is pretty nice too. I have one of the shit early butterfly ones at work and keys are always sticking, but the newer model has a slightly softer spring to it… I like!
Not used a laptop for gigging in some years now, so cant really comment on a live situation.
I would say it does get noticeably HOT, more so than previous machines I’ve owned… So not sure how that would translate to a hot/sweaty environment…
Currently considering an upgrade from my mid-2014 MB Pro not out of necessity, but due to actually being financially comfortable right now, it might be a great time for that investment.
I’m currently considering the 15-inch with the 8 core i9 processor (I am holding off for a bit in case a new model is announced). The thing is, I know enough about computers to understand the what behind specs for RAM, CPU, etc., but not so much how it affects performance and if it would be a noticeable improvement over my current computer.
The biggest thing I’m looking for is improvement when doing video work, whether that’s editing/rendering in Final Cut Pro, or working on shaders and Max/Jitter stuff. Also apps like Bitwig or combinations of something like Ableton Live and Anytune (time stretching/pitch shifting software I use to slow down songs to practice on guitar) really rev up the fan, and sometimes my battery starts to drain even when I’m plugged in to the wall.
Would I actually see noticeable improvement in performance with a new 15-inch (or potentially incoming newer model) over my current computer? I don’t have much of a baseline to work with, since my current MB Pro is the only computer I’ve done this stuff with, so I don’t want to set my expectations too high in my head
I have a 2014 loaded MBP 13” and use a loaded 2019 MBP 15” for work. I don’t use the GPU a lot, and that can in some specific cases make a big difference in workload performance, but only if you’re entire processing flow is GPU optimized. If it’s not (e.g you use some film plugins that are not fully accelerated on your hardware, and some that are) you won’t necessarily see as significant a boost because you lose a lot translating to the GPU and back.
My notes are that I don’t feel incredibly tempted to upgrade personally just yet. The per core speeds are almost half, so despite having four times as many cores, you don’t see anywhere near even double the actual performance for most workloads. Even highly parallel software compilations (quite processor demanding) don’t feel like night and day to me.
That said, I haven’t done any side by side comparison, so I can’t say how much different it really is and I don’t use them for identical workflows. But just from my gut feeling, I’m not rushing out to buy a new mac for at least one or maybe two more hardware generations. If, though, I was being paid to work faster and my workflow did benefit from the GPU in specific, I think those have improved significantly more than the CPU and memory bandwidth internally alone have and it may make a lot of sense commercially speaking.
What do you think about the MacBook Pro 16 inches in its 1TO, core i9 2.3, 16gb configuration for music production ?
(Logic X, Kontakt, Falcon, Ableton, Ozone, Max etc) + (occasional 3D with Blender, video editing, Fusion, Eagle. )
Would you buy it as your main computer/central piece of the homestudio ? A trusty piece of hardware ? (something that hopefully might last at least 5 years or more ? )
If so, would you change the basic configuration, RAM, GPU ram ? All the reviews on internet mention Video editing, Resolve etc but this is not something I often do. Or maybe this MBP 16 is just « too much » for music production I don’t know and you would get something more « reasonable »
My main computer (iMac 27 2012, i7 quad core 3.4 8gb) cannot be repaired and I’m now struggling to find its replacement. I’m thinking I could get a MacBook Pro 16 inches (i9 8 cores 2.3 16GB 1To) instead of buying another iMac. My question is more « should I buy a MacBook or stick with the IMac ? » I hope it’s ok to ask in this thread
The specs are attracting and 16 inches display is not the 27 I was used to but theres always the « external monitor » option for displaying a large Logic session. But I’m afraid of the (fan) noise the computer might produce in my humble homestudio. that’s my main concern actually, the noise of the fans, overheat etc
Apple seems to have improved the cooling system on this laptop but it’s hard to know if a « normal » DAW session with a few cpu hungry vst instruments or Max will overheat the computer… I know it’s a very recent machine but maybe some of you have already bought one…
On top of that, at some point I might have to get an external monitor and I’m wondering if his kind of setup produce even more heat and noise.
Who is using a laptop + external 4K display in the music studio ? Is this a viable solution ?
I know there is always the « refurbished » Mac solution, that was my first thought but the warranty lasts only 6 months and machines (the notorious 2015 for example) with good specs are not so cheap (around 2000€), the gap between a full spec machine from 2015 and a new one is « relatively small » and I know the repairs can cost a lot when/if the machine simply can be repaired… :-(((
In the case I buy one of these new Mac I’ll also have to upgrade to Live 10 because they come with Catalina and Live 9 doesn’t work with Catalina. Also the cost of the adapters or Thunderbolt dock… Arghh, I don’t like this situation…
After many years of exclusive MBP use (ever since the first intel powerbook), I’ve moved away from these computers. The last was a max spec 2015. This configuration was insufficient for running my 4k monitor and realtime audio processing. The performance was there (barely) but the cooling was not. The fans get loud under even normal demands, despite reapplication of thermal paste and tuning. The 16 looks like the best MBP yet, but the cooling is the same old story. I’ve already moved on to a SFF 9700k hackintosh and couldn’t be happier.
Anyone who couldn’t figure out what to do with that weird tiny iPhone screen on their Macbook Pro, here’s a good idea.
Lots here, I’ll unpack what I can answer. I use (heavily) MBP 15", 13", iMac (Retina 5K) for audio, video, and professional software development.
The 16" look amazing. I haven’t used one, but they’re the exact upgrades I’ve been looking for from the current 15" for the past three years. I’d get one in a heartbeat. They’re extremely performant and you’ll be able to easily run a normal session on them (I do on a much lower spec MBP13, and use a quad core i7 in my studio as my main workhorse). Of course, one person’s normal session is another’s nightmare, so this must be taken with a grain of salt, but my professional opinion is that yes, these are very well performing machines that take good advantage of the excellent hardware inside them (better, in my experience, than Windows machines have, and far easier to use/administer on a day to day basis).
The reason people go on and on about video editing is that it’s a zillion times more intensive than audio processing and as a result it’s a generally observed phenomenon that if a system can do pretty solid video editing it’ll do stonking great audio work (despite the fact that most audio work is CPU bound and video is more GPU, video uses a LOT of CPU too, and both audio and video are far more I/O and RAM bound in general, especially as the number of streams/tracks increases). So it’s a valid comparison, in that if it’s a good video performer you can have pretty high confidence it’ll be even that much better at audio.
They run external displays like a champ - I have a 4K 27" connected all the time to my 15" (early 2019 model) and run both displays at full resolution. The unit has never throttled on me on account of the display setup and there’s no noticeable performance difference in terms of overall system performance between the display connected and not connected.
Also: you’ll never “overheat” a mac - they’ll just slow down (a little bit, usually not noticeably) and turn the fans up if they get really hot. The fans are almost never audible even in a dead-quiet room, unless I’m pushing it super hard though, and they try to turn off as soon as possible. In my experience they’re as good as it gets in terms of both not running unless they need to, and not being obnoxiously loud even when they do.
Live 10 is totally worth the upgrade and I’d strongly suggest you do it no matter what machine you’re on, so IMO that’s a benefit. Catalina does not suck - though the 15.0 release was buggy and people had to wait for their software to be compatible, 15.1 seems to be more or less as good as any other Mac OS (that is to say, quite excellent though somebody will find something to gripe about) and most software by now is fully compatible.
If I were in your situation I’d be hop-skipping to the Apple store to get a 16", frankly. These are beasts of professional grade laptops, not little dinky systems. Even the 13" can do a LOT.
I’d also like to gently remind people that this thread is to support Mac-interested folks, not to suggest they choose other platforms.
I personally don’t feel that pointing people towards “hackintoshes” is very helpful either, as those are a royal pain to update, are technically unsupported, and often require breaking the security of the OS in order to even install or make functional.
Exact model that I bought this week to finally upgrade my 2-core 13" 2013 MBP. Here’s the best deal I found on it: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1520435-REG/apple_mvvk2ll_a_16_macbook_pro_late.html ($200 off + no tax).
It is more than enough for most audio work. Mine arrives tomorrow or Monday, but I have a slightly slower i9 in an Alienware laptop and it doesn’t break a sweat on anything. 16GB RAM is plenty unless you are loading large orchestral sample libraries. The video card is enough to drive two external monitors or an ultrawide without issue.